Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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jigger said:
Sorry but I disagree, the performance of the A10 is excellent.
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Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I have to point out it's factually incorrect.

If a plane is designed primarily to kill tanks, and be really robust/survivable, and sucks in both areas, it's wrong to call it excellent simply because it makes a "BRRRT" noise, especially if it is then repurposed for close air support and competitively sucks at that too. No amount of hype and YouTube videos can change the planes lacklustre combat performance and loss rates. The fact remains that unlike the A-10 an F-111 or Tornado could get to the target in under half the time, actually be relied on to hit the target, actually be relied on to destroy what they hit, and have a significantly higher chance of getting away (hence why the A-10 was relegated to moved in Desert Storm redeployed. That was over 30 years ago and modern lanes are even better at outclassing it.

The A-10 is a legendary plane, but like Steven Seagal that legendary reputation is built entirely on PR and flashy non combat demonstrations of it's capability (and in this case what it could theoretically do to large formations of Soviet tanks, despite the fact that theory turned out to be untrue), not actual combat performance.

So back to the point, sending A-10s to Ukraine would be completely pointless, as they already have aircraft that can do everything it can but better. And training them to use a new plane which the US stopped using in the dangerous parts of Iraq during Desert Storm due to it's poor performance and survivability in actual combat, would be a waste of time and resources.
 
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ubersonic said:
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I have to point out it's factually incorrect.

If a plane is designed primarily to kill tanks, and be really robust/survivable, and sucks in both areas
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Yeah, sucks at both: https://theaviationgeekclub.com/10-...ed-cowling-display-national-guard-museum/amp/

Why would it suck at killing tanks, it can take a lot of munitions like the Maverick missile and I can’t think of a plane that has more hardpoints. Being “slower” to get there and make the kill doesn’t mean it sucks.
 
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ubersonic said:
Winter will make it difficult to advance, however it will also cause problems for the Russians too as they are much worse equipped, so there's that at least.
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Going to be fun being a Russian, stuck in a trench, with Ukraine using cluster munitions all winter killing everyone in sight and ATACMS flattening everything further back.
 
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ubersonic said:
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I have to point out it's factually incorrect.

If a plane is designed primarily to kill tanks, and be really robust/survivable, and sucks in both areas, it's wrong to call it excellent simply because it makes a "BRRRT" noise, especially if it is then repurposed for close air support and competitively sucks at that too. No amount of hype and YouTube videos can change the planes lacklustre combat performance and loss rates. The fact remains that unlike the A-10 an F-111 or Tornado could get to the target in under half the time, actually be relied on to hit the target, actually be relied on to destroy what they hit, and have a significantly higher chance of getting away (hence why the A-10 was relegated to moved in Desert Storm redeployed. That was over 30 years ago and modern lanes are even better at outclassing it.

The A-10 is a legendary plane, but like Steven Seagal that legendary reputation is built entirely on PR and flashy non combat demonstrations of it's capability (and in this case what it could theoretically do to large formations of Soviet tanks, despite the fact that theory turned out to be untrue), not actual combat performance.

So back to the point, sending A-10s to Ukraine would be completely pointless, as they already have aircraft that can do everything it can but better. And training them to use a new plane which the US stopped using in the dangerous parts of Iraq during Desert Storm due to it's poor performance and survivability in actual combat, would be a waste of time and resources.
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I disagree and think you’re wrong on a few points. I can’t think of many (any) available planes better suited to a ground attack role.

What noises the A10 makes is irrelevant.
 
Drukk said:
Everywhere you read people say the Russians have been hopeless but they are still in Ukraine and still holding most of the ground they gained on the east, seems to be a lot of hype on how bad they are supposed to be yet results do not seem to match that hype.
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Quantity has a quality in itself.
 
XPE said:
I wonder how much Winter will effect it, we are not seeing a war of movement here.
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I recall a lot of talk about Russians digging deep tunnels etc, which presumably adds to the difficulty in dislodging them. However if they can be pushed out of those defences they dug in the warmer months I'd hope it'd be a lot more difficult to dig equally deep dugouts in frozen ground as they fall back.

Maybe that's wishful thinking. And obviously the first part is the most difficult part there.
 
Griffo said:
I recall a lot of talk about Russians digging deep tunnels etc, which presumably adds to the difficulty in dislodging them. However if they can be pushed out of those defences they dug in the warmer months I'd hope it'd be a lot more difficult to dig equally deep dugouts in frozen ground as they fall back.

Maybe that's wishful thinking. And obviously the first part is the most difficult part there.
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Dunno looking at a lot of fpv drones hitting excavators and they seem to be digging a hell of a lot !

They are beginning to make ww1 trenches/minefields look like a warm up.
 
ianh said:
There are only modernised A-10C's left now, no older A-10A's remain. The A-10C's have some of the most modern equipment within the USAF for target acquisition, tracking & navigation outside of the F-35's kit, including helmet mounted display (HMCS), laser ring gyros for Nav, advanced datalinks (SADL, L16 etc) for off-aircraft detection, Sniper ATP-SE or XR or Litening ER laser pod for on-aircraft detection etc etc.

The biggest one there for modern battlefields (vs the F-16/-15E/-18 etc) is the SADL, where a JTAC on the ground simply types in the location of the enemy they can see and transmits it to the A-10C which automatically updates its displays (inc the HMDS) with that info within a second, so the pilot now just looks and can instantly see through the helmet display exactly what the guy on the ground has ID'd. Then the A-10C can send a video feed back to the JTAC from the Sniper/Litening pod so the JTAC can confirm thats correct target, all done within seconds with no "visual" scanning for targets required, looking for coloured smoke or words passed between people to be misheard etc. The F-16/-15E/-18 etc doesn't have capability and so would have to spend time manually passing that data from the ground to the aircraft via voice usinga 9-Liner report which can (and has in the past) led to errors, takes far longer and has no way to transmit video images back to the ground for confirmation.

As an aside, due to a quirk of its huge weapons carriage, there's plans to make it an Airborne MALD Decoy/Drone carrier as it can carry the same amount of MALD as a B-52 can (16) which is more than an F-16/15E/-18 can -

www.thedrive.com

A-10 Warthog's Tusks Are Being Sharpened For A High-End Fight

Inside Nellis Week: New weapons, fuel tanks, displays, and more are being added to the A-10 to make it a key player in a high-end conflict.
www.thedrive.com www.thedrive.com
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All of which makes it sound even more unlikely for the A10 to go and be able to help Ukraine.
Older outdated A10's not so useful and no longer about.
Upgraded A10's too valuable, limited numbers, and a current part of USAF.

Interesting about the repurposing of the A10, seems the cannon is somewhat obsolete feature of the aircraft going forward?
 
According to Serhii Naiev (the Commander of the United Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces) there are now over half a million mines guarding the Ukrainian border with Belarus. Needless to say Russia can't try to get in that way again, even if they had the men/equipment for it :)

In other news North Korea have transferred over 300,000 artillery shells to Russia, which mean combined with their own stocks they have enough for years to come (or longer at the rate they're losing their artillery :P).
 
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