Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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I'm currently sat in a hotel in Kuala Lumpur at the moment, waiting to fly out to Sarawak province on Saturday to join an LNG carrier on Sunday. Given the COVID restrictions prevailing in the Asia-Pacific region, the prospect of taking cargoes to Europe that otherwise wouldn't have gone there by ship suddenly gives me a glimmer hope that I might actually be able to go home somewhere around the 3 month mark stipulated in my contract of employment, for once.
 
The people banging on about NATO etc.. previously should pay attention to Putin's speech, he's banging on about the Russian Empire, how he doesn't consider Ukraine to be a real country etc..
 
Hagar said:
Do we really need many twitter pages that if you are not a user of twitter cannot be read?
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The tweet itself can certainly be read, lol, and it certainly doesn't require an account either.
I'll try to stay away from spamming the thread with a bunch of tweets however relevant they may be as I don't want anyone to get upset.
 
Hagar said:
The cold war will get a lot frostier. There is unlikely to be a hot war including assets from a Europe or the USA. It will be a lot harder to trade with Russia again.
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Whilst what would amount to a trade embargo could well provoke the Kremlin to opt for more reckless manoeuvres, I think that it would the only actual option that didn't seem toothless and it would really irritate whatever remains of the Russian establishment regarding their historically Euro-centric identity by pushing them further into Beijing's orbit.
 
0007 said:
The tweet itself can certainly be read, lol, and it certainly doesn't require an account either.
I'll try to stay away from spamming the thread with a bunch of tweets however relevant they may be as I don't want anyone to get upset.
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No problem, I don't want to inhibit anybody. Twitter posts without a line of commentary or an extract posted below, I find mildly annoying. ;)
 
Recognition is de jure escalation but de facto it is formalising status quo. Minsk Agreements were clearly not going to be implemented. The main issue and worry here is that de facto it is still status quo unless Russia will push further or provoke Ukraine into a full hot war with Kyiv being taken. Hopefully everything cools down now. If this means Donbas residents will stop getting shelled then I am all for it, those people have been suffering for 8 years now.
 
Hagar said:
No problem, I don't want to inhibit anybody. Twitter posts without a line of commentary or an extract posted below, I find mildly annoying. ;)
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Usually the news just speaks for itself, but I do get where you're coming from, my intention isn't to turn this thread into a squawk lol.
Will stick to posting only if it's something significant, but it was more of a headline that I was sending than an opinion.
 
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PlacidCasual said:
I imagine that most of the Western leaders are breathing a huge sigh of relief this morning. The two annexed regions were already under Russian control and Tanks moving in there is the least that could have happened. Ineffectual sanctions to show that they are doing something but no requirement to make much in the way of meaningful, as in military actions, no 24 hour TV of Ukrainians fighting and dying whilst refugees pour into the east of the EU. If Putin had actually invaded Ukraine held Ukraine they might have actually had to do something.
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You think Russia had 190,000 troops standing around just to invade an area they are already controlling?

This is going to end up much more than the current regions.
 
Nerusy said:
Hopefully everything cools down now. If this means Donbas residents will stop getting shelled then I am all for it, those people have been suffering for 8 years now.
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This is the bottom line.
Minsk agreements failed. OECD mission couldn't protect the people, they had plenty of time and opportunity.
Both could have worked if west wanted.
 
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Hagar said:
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you can work around that, as I do for twitter account I access directly - although I block twitter links indirectly via OC
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StriderX said:
I think that it would the only actual option that didn't seem toothless
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USA had a bill to reveal all of putins finances/pandora2, - ejecting embassy officials why not too - haven't yet seen any communication from Navalny.
... waiting for the petrol/flour prices to shoot up.
 
@XeNoN89 I'm not so sure, 190,000 is a lot of troops to be sure but is it enough to conquer and hold the whole of Ukraine? I don't know. But it does provide a nice threat saying don't interfere this could get worse. If Ukraine were to attack the regions Russia would claim they have the right to defend them and those 190,000 then become the fist to stop the attack.
 
Russia has the red bits.

Wants the grey bits or war.

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PlacidCasual said:
@XeNoN89 I'm not so sure, 190,000 is a lot of troops to be sure but is it enough to conquer and hold the whole of Ukraine? I don't know. But it does provide a nice threat saying don't interfere this could get worse. If Ukraine were to attack the regions Russia would claim they have the right to defend them and those 190,000 then become the fist to stop the attack.
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It also means that ukraine can't commit lots of troops east because if they do Russian can come down from Belarus and walk into Kyiv.
 
PlacidCasual said:
@XeNoN89 I'm not so sure, 190,000 is a lot of troops to be sure but is it enough to conquer and hold the whole of Ukraine? I don't know. But it does provide a nice threat saying don't interfere this could get worse. If Ukraine were to attack the regions Russia would claim they have the right to defend them and those 190,000 then become the fist to stop the attack.
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If you look at it like the US did with Vietnam then yes. However that can go very wrong very quickly. As they say no plan survives first contact with the enemy.
 
PlacidCasual said:
@XeNoN89 I'm not so sure, 190,000 is a lot of troops to be sure but is it enough to conquer and hold the whole of Ukraine? I don't know. But it does provide a nice threat saying don't interfere this could get worse. If Ukraine were to attack the regions Russia would claim they have the right to defend them and those 190,000 then become the fist to stop the attack.
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IIRC 190k is about the total number of troops Ukraine has. Russia has many times more to use if it needs them.
 
Uther said:
IIRC 190k is about the total number of troops Ukraine has. Russia has many times more to use if it needs them.
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Problem is an invasion will turn the population and that turns into millions in resistance, hence it becomes a Vietnam.
 
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