If the Ukrainians stand and fight then it will get very bloody, very quickly.
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If it turns into a genecide that could provoke NATO into action.
Now they're officially in the halves of those regions the separatists (can't help but think of the prequels here with an insidious force pulling their strings!) have it puts the full Russian army, with all it's teeth bared literally stone throws away from Ukraine lines. There is absolutely no way this doesn't escalate with BS reasons for the Russians to push into the rest of the provinces and take the rest. That's full on war, at which point will they stop at those borders or try to take the rest of the country? Given his rambling speech yesterday it's fairly clear what he ultimately wants.
I wish they'd given them proper air defense stuff - because that will be the difference between their armour blitzing through or hitting a brick wall of armour on the other side. Not sure what else people want the West to do at this point though. Sanction moderately hard for now - if they move beyond those border sanction hard, very hard. If Ukraine doesn't capitulate keep material coming in for them.
Can't really do much else short of having boots on ground which would be a huge escalation that quite literally puts all our lives on the line. I think people pushing for more action don't seem to quite grasp has badly wrong all this can go. If they move on a Nato country then fair enough, not before.
Whatever happens I hope it's over quick - if Ukraine becomes like Syria then there's no way everyone doesn't eventually get pulled in.
edit, might even be best to let Putin have his way. As the speech from the Dictator movie says, every man dies eventually. How much longer can he hang onto power? Especially if rumours of his health are in any way true.
I wish they'd given them proper air defense stuff - because that will be the difference between their armour blitzing through or hitting a brick wall of armour on the other side. Not sure what else people want the West to do at this point though. Sanction moderately hard for now - if they move beyond those border sanction hard, very hard. If Ukraine doesn't capitulate keep material coming in for them.
Can't really do much else short of having boots on ground which would be a huge escalation that quite literally puts all our lives on the line. I think people pushing for more action don't seem to quite grasp has badly wrong all this can go. If they move on a Nato country then fair enough, not before.
Whatever happens I hope it's over quick - if Ukraine becomes like Syria then there's no way everyone doesn't eventually get pulled in.
edit, might even be best to let Putin have his way. As the speech from the Dictator movie says, every man dies eventually. How much longer can he hang onto power? Especially if rumours of his health are in any way true.
I guess the major difference between Ukraine and Vietnam though is that almost 20% of the Ukrainian population are Russian and those might well side with Russia. Imagine Vietnam if 1 in 5 people in Vietnam had been American.
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The problem with that way of thinking is that you repeat the failures of Vietnam and Afghanistan where the only occupied territory is what is within range of the weapons of all the Firebases/FOBs and the range of the rifles held by the patrolling soldiers.
That's such an outlandish thing to say for a diplomat that I almost don't believe he said it. Tried looking it up at interfax. If this is true that is quite the monumental escalation in rhetoric.
Pointless, Russia has a veto so what can they do?
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The UN can do nothing without unanimous support of the security council which includes Russia so cannot be done. The UN is utterly toothless.
Like with the Uyghurs in China or any other number of genocides being committed around the world over the past god knows how many years.
We are at the stage now where any large enough country can do what they like without military intervention from the other super powers. They won't risk a proper war over Ukraine.
That is the risk for Russia. Underestimating the resistance of the population could get very bad very quickly.
North Vietnamese and south Vietnamese?
Surely you arent doubting the validity of twitter
Yeah I was right to be sceptical. Very few places reporting it now but Jerusalem Post has more context:
Nah, we won't do anything. They will just hope that either economic sanctions will work (which they probably won't unless we offer Russia some sort of carrot instead of a stick) and we will just pretend it didn't happen over the coming years as we easy restrictions.
Going to push the price of fuel and gas even higher as well which will be nice.
I was listening to an interview with a British expat who is married to a Ukranian woman, lives out there and has two children. He said there are already undeground resistance movements forming and the level of Ukranian patriotism is very high. He said many of the population would fight.
Anybody used an old caravan buried in a hole as a bunker, obviously will have to strengthen roof and sides. Would a 6 berther give me a chance with three adults and parakeet? its storing all the freybentos pies and the water and stuff thats going to be problem.
In the times of MAD it’s less certain but in the past an aggressor in Europe has usually been met with force by a large number of other nations suddenly coming together to fight back. This happened in the world wars, napoleonic wars and previous wars in Europe. I don’t think this will play out this time due to MAD but how this is dealt with effectively will be interesting.
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