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Russian market indices down about 6% so far today. Ouch or what? Before any sanctions so money is coming out of Russia.
 
delta0 said:
In the times of MAD it’s less certain but in the past an aggressor in Europe has usually been met with force by a large number of other nations suddenly coming together to fight back. This happened in the world wars, napoleonic wars and previous wars in Europe. I don’t think this will play out this time due to MAD but how this is dealt with effectively will be interesting.
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Will certainly be interesting but I think escalation in the nuclear age is going to play out very differently compared to the pre-nuclear age that you mention.
 
plasmahal said:
Where is the United Nations in all of this?

This is there job to deal with not NATO.
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For those of us that remember the Balkans issue they'll be doing what they did then, sod all and waiting to see if the US will help sort it out for them. They are about as much capable of snappy decisions as the EU are, and that's saying something.
 
delta0 said:
In the times of MAD it’s less certain but in the past an aggressor in Europe has usually been met with force by a large number of other nations suddenly coming together to fight back. This happened in the world wars, napoleonic wars and previous wars in Europe. I don’t think this will play out this time due to MAD but how this is dealt with effectively will be interesting.
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Russia has 75% of its forces deployed.

If Poland, Lithuania attacked then I'm sure that Russia would be defeated conventionally.

Would they fire nukes at European countries. It is of course speculation.
 
Hagar said:
Russian market indices down about 6% so far today. Ouch or what? Before any sanctions so money is coming out of Russia.
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Yup this seems the more sensible approach. Hit them where it hurts and generate internal pressure. Although with putin he seems past the point of caring
 
bjorkiii said:
Anybody used an old caravan buried in a hole as a bunker, obviously will have to strengthen roof and sides. Would a 6 berther give me a chance with three adults and parakeet? its storing all the freybentos pies and the water and stuff thats going to be problem.
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You be better off building a caravan width trench with shored up sides and then putting a railway sleep roof on top. Modern caravans are barely strong enough to support 3-4 pigeons sitting on the roof, let alone tonnes of dirt.
 
Hagar said:
Russian market indices down about 6% so far today. Ouch or what? Before any sanctions so money is coming out of Russia.
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Ouchie for developed markets. For Russia it's just an average Tuesday. Markets are forward looking and we saw decent sell off yesterday at what was it, 17% I think. From peak to trough RTSI (Russian index in USD so it incorporates rouble market value loss + FX loss) is down 40%.

Edit: For context Russian stock market had such swings without any geopolitical crises.
 
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I'm in two minds about this situation.

Personally I wouldn't have gotten involved.

It's interesting that so far the US hasn't put more sanctions on Russia, only the regions of the Ukraine taken over. UK seems to be doing more sanctions.
 
Kill_Phil said:
Yup this seems the more sensible approach. Hit them where it hurts and generate internal pressure. Although with putin he seems past the point of caring
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They should instantly mothball Nord2 indefinitely.

They should properly that Swift will be cut off by Friday if Russia does not remove its troops from ukraine soil.

Plus other escalating sanctions during the week until the Russians leave.

Russia could be temporarily excluded from the UN.
 
The Running Man said:
Russia has 75% of its forces deployed.

If Poland, Lithuania attacked then I'm sure that Russia would be defeated conventionally.

Would they fire nukes at European countries. It is of course speculation.
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you got to ask the question why does russia have 75% deployed to just invade Ukraine...or is there a bigger plan at play...
 
BowdonUK said:
I'm in two minds about this situation.

Personally I wouldn't have gotten involved.

It's interesting that so far the US hasn't put more sanctions on Russia, only the regions of the Ukraine taken over. UK seems to be doing more sanctions.
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Isn't sanctions all that was done after ww1 and led to ww2? So we drive Russians into poverty and desperation fueling nationalism and resentment towards the West?

I see no win in this. Feel free to look up Karelia.... This looks exactly like that. Ukraine will have no choice to concede and pressures will be unsustainable and pointless. Poor Ukraine ‍♂️. The world should never forget the oppressions made by Russia during and after WW2. I can't believe the agreement was for Finland to pay Russia in addition to giving up one of its largest resources and an incredible amount of land mass.
 
Probably for the best. Being held to ransom by Russia for energy doesn't sound like a smart move for the future as they clearly aren't interested in keeping the peace.
 
chilipeppersc said:
Isn't sanctions all that was done after ww1 and led to ww2? So we drive Russians into poverty and desperation fueling nationalism and resentment towards the West?

I see no win in this. Feel free to look up Karelia.... This looks exactly like that. Ukraine will have no choice to concede and pressures will be unsustainable and pointless. Poor Ukraine ‍♂️. The world should never forget the oppressions made by Russia during and after WW2. I can't believe the agreement waste for Finland to pay Russia in addition to giving up one of its largest resources and almost an incredible amount of land mass.
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That really depends how long Putin lasts out, either through health or being toppled internally somehow by a coup.
 
Putin not even pretending anymore.

In a stunning, historically revisionist national address Monday night, Russian President Vladimir Putin asserted that Ukraine has no right to be its own country — and that it's Moscow's duty to protect Russian speakers in Ukrainian territory from a supposed deadly threat posed by Kyiv.

Why it matters: Putin's formal recognition of two pro-Russian breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine — followed swiftly by the deployment of Russian "peacekeepers" — was immediately condemned as a violation of the UN charter and a pretext to launch a war of aggression against Ukraine.
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(Source).

Reminds me of this:

 
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