Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Just seen an excellent young man on BBC News speaking about this subject - sorry can't remember his name but he'd written some book or other on Mr Putin. Dropping some mega truth bombs like Putin seeing the likes of Tony Blair, a great human rights campaigner during his time in office but is now a PR consultant for a brutal dictator in central Asia. Or Gerhard Schroeder, also a great human rights campaigner when chancellor of Germany, but now leading an investment group working with Gazprom. All these things leads Putin to conclude that the western political elite care more about making money for themselves than they do about human rights and morals.

He also claimed that for every pound stolen in Russia, 85-90p of it ends up in London property, a French chateau or an Austrian bank account. Would be very interested to know how he worked that out.
 
scorza said:
Just seen an excellent young man on BBC News speaking about this subject - sorry can't remember his name but he'd written some book or other on Mr Putin. Dropping some mega truth bombs like Putin seeing the likes of Tony Blair, a great human rights campaigner during his time in office but is now a PR consultant for a brutal dictator in central Asia. Or Gerhard Schroeder, also a great human rights campaigner when chancellor of Germany, but now leading an investment group working with Gazprom. All these things leads Putin to conclude that the western political elite care more about making money for themselves than they do about human rights and morals.

He also claimed that for every pound stolen in Russia, 85-90p of it ends up in London property, a French chateau or an Austrian bank account. Would be very interested to know how he worked that out.
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Did he also tell you how Putin became so rich and how he managed to still be president? Im guessing he was as one sided as well lol
 
eggyoke said:
Is that really what happened though? Is it not the case that the US and Europe have too much appetite for destruction and bending of international rules that has given him the freedom to do exactly the same?

I don't think one moment that the west's aggressive war antics over the last few decades have been reason for him holding back. I think he's not done anything like this simply because he's had no reason to. I distinctly remember Putin losing his **** during the Libya fiasco when the UN allowed western powers to use military force on the promise of targeting only military installations, but then went on to bomb palaces, historic monuments, civilian areas, and sent in undercover agents to bring blood thirsty mobs in to Gaddafi's location where they beat and publicly executed him without trial. There's a video of Putin somewhere promising to never again allow that to happen. Hence Russia's leading stance on keeping the west out of Syria.

Now that the EU is pushing towards his homeland, he's securing his assets without any hesitation simply because the west have given him permission to do by taking their example. The west in this whole situation can't come out in anyother way without being extremely hypocritical.
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Yeah because Putin did a lot to help the Syrian refugees. How many had to flee whilst Russia vetoed everything the rest of the world did to try and help? How about Georgia? Was Putin such a great humanitarian then?
 
ubersonic said:
When their throwing bricks, pipes, bombs, etc at the police. There is.
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You've got your order of events backwards. Yanukovych authorised the use of force against peaceful protesters who responded to violence with (considerably lower levels of) violence. Yanukovych then authorised snipers to start killing people.
 
eggyoke said:
Now that the EU is pushing towards his homeland, he's securing his assets without any hesitation simply because the west have given him permission to do by taking their example. The west in this whole situation can't come out in anyother way without being extremely hypocritical.
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I dont see how you can say that he is suddenly worried over EU progression considering that this is not the first pro-europe government Ukraine has had. In fact thats only one administration away. What has changed is that the likelihood of meeting serious resistance from the US and the EU has. This rhetoric aout the west being hypocritical makes no sense to me. In what context? Id genuinely be interested to know where you think a similar situation has occurred except at western instigation.
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
Yeah because Putin did a lot to help the Syrian refugees. How many had to flee whilst Russia vetoed everything the rest of the world did to try and help? How about Georgia? Was Putin such a great humanitarian then?
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You're missing the point. He's not trying to say Putin is/was a humanitarian, rather that the west are just as bad as he is. We are hypocrites, which is why there is no move to war against Putin and Russia, because they are doing what we did, arguably with more right.

As Putin himself said what about Haiti...? What about the WMDs of Iraq that conveniently turned into a humanitarian mission (all along...) after there were none found? What about Libya, a civil war with one half of the country against another where the west took sides? What about Syria, where both sides are just as bad as each other, with arguably more of the population for Assad than against...

Most of our wars haven't been about humanitarian missions, they have been about power, removing anti west leaders in favour of more ameanable ones... I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out the west had a hand in the protests in some way in Ukraine either.
 
Devlish said:
I dont see how you can say that he is suddenly worried over EU progression considering that this is not the first pro-europe government Ukraine has had. In fact thats only one administration away. What has changed is that the likelihood of meeting serious resistance from the US and the EU has. This rhetoric aout the west being hypocritical makes no sense to me. In what context? Id genuinely be interested to know where you think a similar situation has occurred except at western instigation.
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Is it a pro west government he's Russia are worried about or an anti Russian one? It's fairly obvious this government are VERY anti Russian, having passed/rescinded laws that are anti Russian. That's besides the nationalist squads that began forming and taking over from the police in many areas of the country before Russian forces crossed over.

While I'm sure the "protection" of Russian speakers is a cover for what has become a bigger plan it's fairly legitimate considering the way the country was going.
 
Woden said:
Is it just me or are Russian uniforms not all that uniform?
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A lot of them are contractors and/or mercs, there aren't actually a huge number of actual Russian soldiers in most of the pictures you see - mostly they stick on or around their bases so far.
 
scorza said:
He also claimed that for every pound stolen in Russia, 85-90p of it ends up in London property
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Russian money has apparently propped up the London housing market for years; then some idiot mentioned this issue was going to be investigated in order to put pressure on Putin. What a stupid idea, that was a nice little card to have, now they are going to blow it over this pointless dispute?
Just shut up and keep Putin sweet, far more important things will happen in the future when we will all wish we hadn't ****ed him off over this.

We used to be the best diplomats in the world, now we blunder into every crisis with our wellies on and our gob open :mad:
 
Rroff said:
A lot of them are contractors and/or mercs, there aren't actually a huge number of actual Russian soldiers in most of the pictures you see - mostly they stick on or around their bases so far.
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Russia may have the PMCs, but we have an effeminate blonde cyborg ninja and a guy with a really gruff voice.
 
bitslice said:
We used to be the best diplomats in the world, now we blunder into every crisis with our wellies on and our gob open :mad:
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One thing we must give western diplomats/leaders credit for is their amazing ability to keep a straight face when telling Russia that they shouldnt interfere and discredit the territoral integirty of another sovereign nation.
 
Sliver said:
All it takes for evil to triumph is if good men do nothing.
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Do you have a clear idea of who is in the right in this dispute?

Half the world is happily supporting known Islamist nutjobs against Assad, so I have zero faith that anyone knows what the **** they are doing in the middle east, never mind in some middle earth backwater.


All I know is we are going to need Putin's help someday and this anti Russia campaign has stupid written all over it..
 
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