Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Harlequin said:
Its a numbers game; in WW2 they started off with the younger , single men then as `stock` ran short , they upped the age and had limited exclusions (reduced the jobs that were excluded, then marriage wasnt a barrier etc. As health and life expectancy has risen , so would the age of conscription.
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I've been out the army for about 10 years and at 51, I can tell you. I'm in no fit state to be anything but a liability.
 
dessimpson said:
I've been out the army for about 10 years and at 51, I can tell you. I'm in no fit state to be anything but a liability.
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8 weeks at Pirbright will sort that out. Same for me btw, been out a lot longer than you, (and my old Regiment doesnt exist anymore) , but would go back again and be beasted.

and yet more fearmongering :

www.gbnews.com

Putin issues sinister threat to Europe of 'what will follow' during surprise trip

The UK Government has revealed it thinks there is a one-in-four chance that Russia will attack one of Britain's allies in the next two years
www.gbnews.com www.gbnews.com
 
Germany has announced new equipment for Ukraine

IRIS-T SLM air defense systems

GEPARD anti air guns

230k artillery rounds

80 Leopard tanks

450 armoured vehicles consisting of APCs, bridge layers, engineering vehicles and mine clearers

Additional drones and radar systems
 
Not sure how much of that sort of open admittance I believe. I think if the West agreed to talks tomorrow with the option of Russia keeping already annexed territory for Ukraine joining NATO, they'd bite our hand off.

Talking about off ramps openly does Russia no favors at the moment.
 
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esmozz said:
My old driving instructor (from 30+ years ago) once told me a story about the war which has stuck with me. In 1935 both he and his brother were convinced war was coming again to europe and signed up. His brother joined the airforce and distinguished himself during the Battle of Britain, he himself joined the army and actually did'nt seem to have done a great deal.

I've often wondered what they saw in 1935 which convinced them that total war was coming four years later - is that the beginning of what we see now? Where will we be in 4 years time?

Sorry, random musings after a few beers.
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I know it's a bit crass to quote oneself but I did it anyway.

I posted this in Dec 22.

I think I can see a bit more clearly now where this may well end up.
 
No one has the right to ask Ukraine to give up occupied territories, including and especially Crimea

It would be like asking Biden to give up Texas to the Mexicans.

One things for sure if Putins negotiating then he knows he's in trouble.

Its more likely, in fact certain he's just trying to buy a couple of years to re group and re arm before going back in.

I would hope the west just gives Ukraine the tools to finish the job and cripple Putins war machine for a good few years, certainly long enough to see Putin hung by his own people
 
bris said:
I would hope the west just gives Ukraine the tools to finish the job and cripple Putins war machine for a good few years, certainly long enough to see Putin hung by his own people
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What would that actually take? I guess a few thousand air sorties could take out all of Russia's significant assets in occupied territory within a week or so. That would decimate the army such that what remaining ground forces Ukraine still has would be able recapture the land. Certainly NATO would lose some aircraft and crew - what's our appetite for 'acceptable' losses?

A few questions - why didn't we do a huge air campaign like this within a couple weeks of the initial invasion?
How would Russia actually respond to NATO airstrikes destroying 1,000+ bit of heavy equipment and killing many thousands of Russians (in occupied territory)?
Assuming RAF would be all in - would Putin respond against UK? Cutting undersea power and data cables, oil and gas pipelines? Conventional attacks on our critical infrastructure, nuclear attacks?

NATO clearly had/has the military force to kick Russia out of Ukraine - but have we always just thought the risk of losses and/or significant retaliation is too great? So in effect we've been providing the minimum level of support to prevent a clear Russian victory but not, we calculate, so much that Russia retaliates against us?
 
Nate75 said:
Putin setting his stall out

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That is quite a move if this is the case. I may have expected them to try and lock in their gains for an indefinite ceasefire. As it would leave them technically in a state of war and prevent NATO membership. To actually talk about peace means Russia is willing to allow Ukraine join NATO and probably EU.
 
delta0 said:
That is quite a move if this is the case. I may have expected them to try and lock in their gains for an indefinite ceasefire. As it would leave them technically in a state of war and prevent NATO membership. To actually talk about peace means Russia is willing to allow Ukraine join NATO and probably EU.
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Much more likely they've concluded that Western Europe isn't willing to reasonably prepare and their armed forces are all in a state of disrepair such that they're very unlikely to respond well enough to eastern Europe being conquered.
 
The West has learned nothing from history. Ukraine has given us the perfect opportunity to break Russia and return her to the 13th century where she belongs, but all we've done is hand over some paltry toys and tell the Ukrainians to avoid hurting their enemies as much as possible.

This war will be studied by future historians as a catastrophic failure of Western moral character and realpolitik. God only knows what that wretched future will look like.
 
Harlequin said:
So you`ll be the first to join up then?
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Join up for what? Remind me: where is this war the government is supposed to be conscripting for? I'm just curious, because all the bedwetters keep sobbing about it, but for the life of me I just can't find the damn thing.

So please, take a moment to wash and dry your sheets, and help me out here.

Is the war in the room with us right now? Have the Russians commenced a forced march from their beachhead in Fraserburgh to their heavily conealed scouting party at Watford Gap Services?

Should I start learning their primitive dialect tomorrow, or is it already too late to mangle my vocal chords with their Proto-Slavic grunting in the hope of achieving a last minute détente? Do I switch to earth floors and trench toilets now, or wait until it becomes government policy?
 
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Sankari said:
The West has learned nothing from history. Ukraine has given us the perfect opportunity to break Russia and return her to the 13th century where she belongs, but all we've done is hand over some paltry toys and tell the Ukrainians to avoid hurting their enemies as much as possible.

This war will be studied by future historians as a catastrophic failure of Western moral character and realpolitik. God only knows what that wretched future will look like.
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Isn't the lesson here that the west has a very different attitude to risk than Russia. We have shown ourselves unwilling to risk Russian retaliation and western loss of life and infrastructure.
 
Harlequin said:
On LBC the talk for conscription would be up to age 60 , as it was in WW2

So everyone posting here will have the opportunity to serve!
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Not actually everyone. I'd volunteer for the home guard though, with my military experience (I was an honorary member of the Durham light Infantry veterans association, despite them being amalgamated when I was 5yo).
 
Sankari said:
The West has learned nothing from history. Ukraine has given us the perfect opportunity to break Russia and return her to the 13th century where she belongs, but all we've done is hand over some paltry toys and tell the Ukrainians to avoid hurting their enemies as much as possible.

This war will be studied by future historians as a catastrophic failure of Western moral character and realpolitik. God only knows what that wretched future will look like.
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**** me I wish you'd just go volunteer lol.
 
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