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clv101 said:
Isn't the lesson here that the west has a very different attitude to risk than Russia. We have shown ourselves unwilling to risk Russian retaliation and western loss of life and infrastructure.
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I think that's part of it, but surely only a small part. We are massively more powerful than the Russians, and MAD prevents the outbreak of nuclear war, so that's not even in the equation (there are too many human blobs of jelly in this thread who never lived through the Cold War, and it shows.)

I think the biggest issue is that the West considers open war with Russia to be politically toxic for domestic voters, because we'd have to actively attack a country that hasn't attacked us.

So Ukraine will be sacrificed via the death of a thousnd cuts because our politicians aren't prepared to stop thiknking about next week's poll and start thinking ahead to the shape of Europe in the next 30 years.

Sometimes upopular decisions must be made. Move NATO forces into Ukraine and dare Russia to attack them. Then keep moving them right up to the border of Crimea.

Then roll into Crimea and let the war machine do what it does best.
 
Efour said:
**** me I wish you'd just go volunteer lol.
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Another witless response from an armchair Chamberlain. Again, what am I supposed to be volunteering for? Where's this imaginary conscription? Care to adress the point instead of wetting the bed?
 
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Sankari said:
Another witless response from an armchair Chamberlain. Again, what am I supposed to be volunteering for? Where's this imaginary conscription? Care to adress the point instead of wetting the bed?
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You're beyond cringe....
I didn't talk about conscption.
Put your reading glasses on.
Make some more heroic speeches

I dunno if you've ever played Warhammer 40k. You're the right age to have, but you really remind me of some imperial guard commissar.
 
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Efour said:
You're beyond cringe....
I didn't talk about conscption.
Put your reading glasses on.
Make some more heroic speeches
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So what am I supposed to be volunteering for, remind me? Are you suggesting I should fly to Ukraine and ask to sign up? That's your big idea, is it?

Well, the only problem with that is, I have no interest in fighting a war in Ukraine, I am not remotely qualified to do so, and I'm sure as hell not going to abandon my wife, family, job, and mortgage to end up in a place where I'll be less than worthless.

Again: care to adress the point?

'Heroic speeches', LOL. Absolute ******** from the midwits in this thread, every ******* time. No answers, no ideas, no political comprehension, just whining and bitching. In a real war, you'd be rounded up like Lord Haw Haw.
 
Sankari said:
So what am I supposed to be volunteering for, remind me? Are you suggesting I should fly to Ukraine and ask to sign up? That's your big idea, is it?

Well, the only problem with that is, I have no interest in fighting a war in Ukraine, I am not remotely qualified to do so, and I'm sure as hell not going to abandon my wife, family, job, and mortgage to end up in a place where I'll be less than worthless.

Again: care to adress the point?

'Heroic speeches', LOL. Absolute ******** from the midwits in this thread, every ******* time. No answers, no ideas, no political comprehension, just whining and bitching. In a real war, you'd be rounded up like Lord Haw Haw.
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Yes. Do something constructive to Ukraine's chance of winning. That is what I am absolutely suggesting. Bake some cookies and give the profits to one of the charity's

You're literally quoting almost everything you ever post. Change the record..... You're preaching to the choir.
I'm sure most people think your unhinged sometimes. Maybe drunk I dunno? Letting off some late night steam. It's probably too hot there after all.
Goto bed !
 
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I should just point out, Latvia for the first time in its history since the fall of the Soviet Union, has just opened a conscription lottery.

I doubt the uk will have mandatory conscription any time soon, then again who knows.

My guess is we’re going to see a massive increase in voluntary reserve forces.
 
Efour said:
Yes. Do something constructive to Ukraine's chance of winning.
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Finandical donations. Already doing it. But that's still not the point. The point is the response of Western goernments. That's what we're talking abouit here, not whether or not we can crowdfund another kamikaze drone. You talk a lot of **** about what we shouldn't be doing, but I've never actually seen you propose a strategy.

What, in your view, should the West be doing right now to help Ukraine win this war and regain her territory?
 
Sankari said:
I have no interest in fighting a war in Ukraine, I am not remotely qualified to do so, and I'm sure as hell not going to abandon my wife, family, job, and mortgage to end up in a place where I'll be less than worthless.
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This basically sums up every pro war Westerner on the Internet lol. Happy for other people to do the fighting but consider themselves "not qualified". The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is currently 43, there will absolutely be thousands of men who had the exact same qualifications as you to be involved in this war prior to joining up. Please stop calling people bed wetters then making excuses as to why you'd be unfit for service, you're insulting the people over there doing the fighting, I'm sure some of which are less fit and less qualified than you.
 
Roar87 said:
This basically sums up every pro war Westerner on the Internet lol. Happy for other people to do the fighting but consider themselves "not qualified". The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is currently 43, there will absolutely be thousands of men who had the exact same qualifications as you to be involved in this war prior to joining up. Please stop calling people bed wetters then making excuses as to why you'd be unfit for service, you're insulting the people over there doing the fighting, I'm sure some of which are less fit and less qualified than you.
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Nonsense.

The most important thing individuals in the west can do to help Ukraine is to make it clear that our support is unanimous and unequivocal.

Something you and others have done their best to undermine from the start.

And this is just another cheap angle in your attempt to continue without showing your true colours.
 
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Roar87 said:
This basically sums up every pro war Westerner on the Internet lol. Happy for other people to do the fighting but consider themselves "not qualified". The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is currently 43, there will absolutely be thousands of men who had the exact same qualifications as you to be involved in this war prior to joining up. Please stop calling people bed wetters then making excuses as to why you'd be unfit for service, you're insulting the people over there doing the fighting, I'm sure some of which are less fit and less qualified than you.
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It's the same on the thread about conscription. "I would be the first to sign up if I wasn't so old or so useless". Quite hilarious really. I'm very proud to say I would be among the first to do a runner and I'm very fit. I would use all my energy, resources and fitness to run as far away as possible :D
 
You can read what I've already written if you're interested. I'm not pro war id always look for Ukraine making peace on the back of a huge western support deal.

I'm mot sure how much my opinions have changed over the years. I thought Russia would have Kyiv in a week. I think everyone did.
I'm Much more pessimistic much more scared or a potential nuclear exchange.

If Russia lose. They will **** the bed and go nuclear, probably a tactical in Kyiv. If we can't have it no one can. That's best case scenario..... For the millions of Europeans at least.

They are never going to regain their land without full on NATO boots on the ground, planes bombing every russian asset to oblivion.

Then that triggers the lose scenario.

So what do we do?

Exactly as all the NATO countries know. No one is ready it'll be years before there's real armies..
Drip feed enough for a never ending stalemate until Russians revolt or Putin dies. Hope what's next is better or then at least we are more ready for WW3 Europe.
Yes Ukraine is being used as the anvil to break Russia on. Hopefully they last a few more years.

That's the bigger picture without the unrealistic bottomless money pit machine being switched on and when we get there China will make it's moves and it's twice the fun....

There is no plan to make Ukraine win only hold for now. If government wanted war material to arrive it would take days/weeks not years...
 
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Stretch said:
Nonsense.

The most important thing individuals in the west can do to help Ukraine is to make it clear that our support is unanimous and unequivocal.

Something you and others have done their best to undermine from the start.

And this is just another cheap angle in your attempt to continue without showing your true colours.
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I'm pretty sure you can actually just go sign up and fight and that would be the thing that would help the most, there's literally nothing stopping you except you're happy for other people to fight but too scared to go do it yourself.
 
Efour said:
You can read what I've already written if your interested.
I'm mot sure how much my opinions have changed over the years.
Much more pessimistic much more scared or a potential nuclear exchange.

If Russia lose. They will **** the bed and go nuclear, probably a tactical in Kyiv. If we can't have it no one can. That's best case scenario..... For the millions of Europeans at least.

They are never going to regain their land without full on NATO boots on the ground, planes bombing every russian asset to oblivion.

Then that triggers the lose scenario.

So what do we do?

Exactly as all the NATO countries know. No one is ready it'll be years before there's a real army.
Drip feed enough for a never ending stalemate until Russians revolt or Putin dies. Hope what's next is better or then at least we are more ready for WW3 Europe.
Yes Ukraine is being used as the anvil to break Russia on. Hopefully they last a few more years.

That's the bigger picture without the unrealistic bottomless money pit machine being switched on and when we get there China will make it's moves and it's twice the fun....

There is no plan to make Ukraine win only hold for now.
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So what you are saying is from this point forward we just have to accept whatever Russia demands?
 
Stretch said:
So what you are saying is from this point forward we just have to accept whatever Russia demands?
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No try again.

Its a never ending stalemate until Russia implodes or Europe is "ready"

Do you hand on heart think NATO attacking Russia tomorrow will end in anything but Armageddon?

I don't even rate our chances when we are ready. It's going to be some of the most "exciting" times in European history and most of you (me too) think Putin's a lunatic monster so you are sure he'll authorise a first or retaliation strike so really what's iit all achieve... Guess we'll find out in a few years.

Honestly the best outcome for humanity is cold war 2..... Not the best for eastern Ukraine today obviously.
 
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Stretch said:
I'm sure they'd have you the Russian tranches too.
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I don't support Russia or want this war to continue. I'm a UK citizen taking an objective view of a conflict thousands of miles away that I do not fully understand the history and complexities of. I think Russia's invasion of Ukraine was illegal and they should not have done it, ideally they would leave and respect the original borders of Ukraine; though pragmatically I know they will not do that, and I also know this conflict didn't begin in a vacuum.
 
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