Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Roar87 said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Exhausted Ukraine struggles to find new men for front line

Two years into the war, there is no flood of volunteer fighters as energy and enthusiasm fades.
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Which part of this is winning?



He isn't wrong though, of course Moscow is nicer than most US cities. It has culture, history and architecture dating back hundreds of years. Most European cities are nicer than American cities for the same reason.

There's plenty of pieces of paper you could hold up in London that would get you arrested, try holding up something against Islam or anti-LGBT.
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God lmao you will bend over backwards fo defend blatantly idiotic comments by people like tucker, trumo or putin.

It's bizarre, any negative comment you come running in to spin it in a different context.
 
Roar87 said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Exhausted Ukraine struggles to find new men for front line

Two years into the war, there is no flood of volunteer fighters as energy and enthusiasm fades.
www.bbc.co.uk



Which part of this is winning?



He isn't wrong though, of course Moscow is nicer than most US cities. It has culture, history and architecture dating back hundreds of years. Most European cities are nicer than American cities for the same reason.

There's plenty of pieces of paper you could hold up in London that would get you arrested, try holding up something against Islam or anti-LGBT.
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How about a blank peice of paper?
 
Orangeade said:
My point from before still stands. At what point is a grinding stalemate just wasting peoples lives?

I talked before about escalation being undesirable, I talked about supporting Ukraine if it means winning. I talked about not using unethical weapons. And I've talked about the unethical nature of fighting wars by proxy for people that do not stand to lose.

Per a previous poster what is the route to victory for Ukraine here? What will not wipe out a few generation of men? What will not leave the land a desolate mined wasteland? What will secure their future with 100% of the land without giving what will trigger an escalated response from Putin? If there isn't then it's grinding out peoples lives for an unsatisfactory conclusion.

If its really possible for Ukraine to win and the people want to do so (I wonder how many would leave if forced conscription wasn't in place and they could actually leave without prison...) then go for it.

From my position of safety (and yours) it looks increasingly like a lot of people are dying across static battle lines with one side happy to waste both sides lives to gain 100 metres.
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You speak like their is some magic alternative where everyone gets to live happily ever after, there isn't.
 
Orangeade said:
Point out where I have wanted people to die. Intact I'm pretty sure the majority of posts from me is lamenting the fact people have died.




My point from before still stands. At what point is a grinding stalemate just wasting peoples lives?
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From my position of safety (and yours) it looks increasingly like a lot of people are dying across static battle lines with one side happy to waste both sides lives to gain 100 metres.
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What about the twenty thousand* ukrainian children the Russians have taken into russia?

Are they just meant to write them off?



*700,000 children have been taken according to russia.


How many of your countries kids would you let be stolen? How hard would you fight to get even 100m closer to getting them back?
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
He could join Tucker, apparently Moscow is better than any US city. Clearly he didn't stay in the soviet style housing with no heating and just eating black bread with vodka.

See how safe it is when you hold up a piece of paper with any criticism of the regime on it.

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To be fair, I believe him about Moscow. I've not been there but have been to Minsk twice, and it is cleaner and nicer than any EU or US City I've been too and I felt completely safe there due to no crime.

The difference is once you go out of the capital other towns and cities are way more run down and then you visit the villages and realise most of them are still living in tiny wooden homes with no plumbing etc
 
XeNoN89 said:
The difference is once you go out of the capital other towns and cities are way more run down and then you visit the villages and realise most of them are still living in tiny wooden homes with no plumbing etc
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Or roads, but the city metro is nice if they can find a way to get there
 
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Rroff said:
You speak like their is some magic alternative where everyone gets to live happily ever after, there isn't.
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I'm pretty sure negotiation tends to bring a happier ending typically. And again ignoring my point. If force can get desired outcome without destabilising rest or world then by all means go for it. If it won't then it's a pointless vain endeavour. The converse is true for Putin, I'm pretty süre if you asked him now to have found an alternate route instead of his tard rush he would do so...

Tefal said:
What about the twenty thousand* ukrainian children the Russians have taken into russia?

Are they just meant to write them off?



*700,000 children have been taken according to russia.


How many of your countries kids would you let be stolen? How hard would you fight to get even 100m closer to getting them back?
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Did I even insinuate they should be left behind?
 
XeNoN89 said:
To be fair, I believe him about Moscow. I've not been there but have been to Minsk twice, and it is cleaner and nicer than any EU or US City I've been too and I felt completely safe there due to no crime.

The difference is once you go out of the capital other towns and cities are way more run down and then you visit the villages and realise most of them are still living in tiny wooden homes with no plumbing etc
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99% of Russland is an absolute ******** but most people are pretty impressed with Moscow especially compared to the soulless US towns.

As a place to live though I'd rather be poor and live in Europe than a well off man in USA than insanely wealthy in Russland. No contest there!
 
Orangeade said:
I'm pretty sure negotiation tends to bring a happier ending typically. And again ignoring my point. If force can get desired outcome without destabilising rest or world then by all means go for it. If it won't then it's a pointless vain endeavour. The converse is true for Putin, I'm pretty süre if you asked him now to have found an alternate route instead of his tard rush he would do so...
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What negotiations? Putin just spent 2 hours making a case for how Ukraine doesn't actually exist and Russia is just taking back what is theirs followed up by claiming no one could stop them, any negotiations would simply be a strategic ruse to weaken Ukraine's hand.
 
So where does the world go from here? What is the answer? If Poland gets involved then do we enter WW3? Ukraine is in big trouble without US support and that seems to have gone with the ridiculous pathetic squabbles going on internally, the EU seems to be stepping up a bit but is it enough?
 
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Drukk said:
So where does the world go from here? What is the answer? If Poland gets involved then do we enter WW3? Ukraine is in big trouble without US support and that seems to have gone with the ridiculous pathetic squabbles going in internally, the EU seems to be stepping up a bit but is it enough?
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Two fold:
1. Do not allow the umbrella of nuclear weapons to enable offensive action. The threat of nuclear war becomes a real threat.
2. Ramp up production of arms.

China and NK etc have been propping up Russia, although China hasn't directly given Russia Chinese weaponry it has enabled it.

The only way to prevent offensive action is:
a) neutralise directly
b) neutralise indirectly - essentially wage war so that there are too many fronts of war open.

The US only got involved in WW2 when the Japanese attacked them.
 
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