The conscription age was 27 up until the start of this year, it's now 25. While the average age is somewhat worrying, explain to me with maths how it would have ever been much lower than mid to late 30s ?
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A lot of them weren't allowed to leave at the borders too, it was a country of over 40million people.
surely mostly poor without the option of escape whilst it was possible.
Their average age is around 45 now and conscription from 25-60, well above the mid 30s
IDK if it's true but Joe Rogan once claimed even disabilities don't rule you out anymore
they had around 200k active military personnel around 2019 according to google, so how does the average age of the army end up so high if only around 70k are dead and up to 120k injured?
you'd think they were only recruiting people above 40
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so the average age of the army is the average age of the people eligible to be conscripted, shocking....
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There is some incredible footage from an English speaking force taking some Russian trenches. That you can understand what they are saying just makes it all the more intense. Fair play to these guys, they really are citizens to be proud of which ever country they come from.
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Internation legion storming russian position and wiping entire platoon in close combat POV [Avdiivka, Eastern Ukraine]
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so wheres all the younger people when fighting age men were being denied exit at the borders?
on boats coming to steal your house and job... and women.
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Every war and conflict always ended in total destruction? Or you cherry picking? If that's your rational them the death toll of this conflict is going to be in the millions. Amazing.
Rroff is grown up and capable of giving what he gets, he doesn't need you simping for him.
Your world is very simple isn't it.
No **** Putin can end it, talk about stating the obvious!!!!!
The rest of your rant is not really worth responding to.
But here's a suggestion, what if there was a compromise that in exchange for immediate cessation in hostilities that Russia keeps a portion of their captured land hands back rest, (namely crimea so presumably they have a warm water dock or whatever), ability to let anyone (if anyone lol) more wedded to the idea of Russia leave and liquidate their holdings for fair price....in exchange for immediate UN peacekeepers enforcing the territory with no holds barred NATO assurance of military intervention if escalations happen again. No NATO missile silos but effectively NATO membership? Russia gets access to markets again to save building up competitors China and India economies with cheap oil but in exchange pays a levy for rebuilding of Ukraine for 100 billion.
It's an interestingly guarded secret. I understand why but the lack of transparency is concerning.
Would it change people's opinion if actually 500,000 men rather than 70,000 died?
Lots of question marks which is just proving how determined you are to ignore what people are saying and instead build a field of strawmen.
Reading comprehension isn't your bag is it?
I made a roughly similar point earlier in the thread. Russia are going nowhere. Ukraine are going nowhere. All that will continue to happen is that thousands of mostly young men will die.
Talk. Just talk. If it doesn’t work then fine, just kill each other. But at least try.
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This isn't a discussion forum....
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I responded to you where was I wrong? You stated it ends up with the person with the biggest stick. If that's the case it'd destruction as Russia have a large stick and plenty of back up sticks. Ukraine has a slightly smaller stick big enough to stop the lethal blows but not enough to win. Ergo they both hit each other bloody and bruised until someone breaks.
I disagree with this. Is that straightforward enough for you?
The solution is simple - Putin withdraws Russian troops from Ukraine (including Donbas and Crimea).
Putin said a lot of things, probably partly why my opinions come across as simple to you because I know from experience what is just fluff even if I don't present the reasoning in my posts.
While it might seem to you like I think everything needs to be solved by violence I'm looking at the bigger picture here in broad strokes - sometimes a well meaning attempt to save some lives in the short term can cost far more lives in the longer term, albeit that would be a charitable interpretation as it has been clear from the start all you care about is things going whatever way you believe will be of least inconvenience to yourself no matter the cost to others.
Putin hasn't really been in a position to attack fully before, the 90s Russia was struggling from the collapse of the USSR, the early 2000s he was busy with other wars and attempting to reform the armed forces, through the 2010s he put into place programs of modernisations to the armed forces. But ultimately even the historic premise he gave is largely a ruse, a lot comes down to the fact that Ukraine was becoming a threat to him - as it moved Westward and living standards and so on started to increase the links between the two countries meant it wasn't something which could just be dismissed by propaganda and as the gulf widened the more pressure he'd come under domestically.
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Imagine a world where Ukrainians have been fighting for years. Those doing the fighting have aged, and are still fighting.
Also from reports I had heard the mobilisation had focussed more on experience. Eg those being pulled up to be mechanics etc are typically being older as they have more experience and more transferrable skills to field repairing than maybe younger less versatile mechanics.
Russia have been zerging for years now, there is no way the numbers of dead and injured are similar on each side.
There is documentary evidence of attack after attack of zerg type Russian attacks, lets remember Wagner also doing the same (but maybe excluded from the Russian dead)
If there were similar zerg type attacks that Ukraine had done you can be sure the Ruskiebots would be making sure they were seen outside Russia to weaken the war effort.
They pretty much don't exist.
Also from reports I had heard the mobilisation had focussed more on experience. Eg those being pulled up to be mechanics etc are typically being older as they have more experience and more transferrable skills to field repairing than maybe younger less versatile mechanics.
Russia have been zerging for years now, there is no way the numbers of dead and injured are similar on each side.
There is documentary evidence of attack after attack of zerg type Russian attacks, lets remember Wagner also doing the same (but maybe excluded from the Russian dead)
If there were similar zerg type attacks that Ukraine had done you can be sure the Ruskiebots would be making sure they were seen outside Russia to weaken the war effort.
They pretty much don't exist.
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they have talked
1994 Budapest memorandum was talking, it was reaffirmed in 2009 with talks
In 2014 Putin didn't talk broke the agreements and started a proxy war
When the proxy war didn't go to plan they talked at the Minsk Agreements, guess what, Russia broke them by deciding they didn't actually agree to anything after all.
There were 5 rounds of peace talks in 2022 each one designed by Russia to try to stall Ukrainian defence because the initial invasion again didn't go to plan not to agree peace, they went nowhere.
So sure talk that would be great but to what end ?
Ukraine is firing up to 7,000 rounds a day, a fraction of the 60,000 shells Russia was firing earlier this year: report
Ukraine is barely firing a tenth of the 60,000 shells Russia fired daily earlier this year, according to a CNN report, but is targeting 10,000 rounds a day.
www.businessinsider.com
People do understand that Russia artillery numbers are just wayyy higher right?
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Ukraine is firing up to 7,000 rounds a day, a fraction of the 60,000 shells Russia was firing earlier this year: report
Ukraine is barely firing a tenth of the 60,000 shells Russia fired daily earlier this year, according to a CNN report, but is targeting 10,000 rounds a day.
People do understand that Russia artillery numbers are just wayyy higher right?
It is NOW yes. It was the opposite a while ago.
Plus russian shells may as well be launched by trebuchet when you consider their accuracy
Russia have resorted to again their level everything in order to send the zerg afterwards.
Its WW1 type tactics as discussed before, and WW1 tactics send bonkers amount of shells of which a very high % end of achieving nothing than further throwing the soil around.
Ukraine is firing up to 7,000 rounds a day, a fraction of the 60,000 shells Russia was firing earlier this year: report
Ukraine is barely firing a tenth of the 60,000 shells Russia fired daily earlier this year, according to a CNN report, but is targeting 10,000 rounds a day.
People do understand that Russia artillery numbers are just wayyy higher right?
I'm not quite sure what you are saying there but lots of shells don't necessarily mean lots of deaths though they can do that directly or indirectly, but they are effective at suppressing a defence or making an area untenable to maintain a presence in, enabling an advance. Which is where Ukraine is struggling currently because they don't have that critical mass of artillery, or the ability to use the skies, to enable advances.
Try and watch some genuine pro-Russian sources.
Make an effort to not immediately dismiss it as kremlin propaganda.
You will be surprised that the other side acts EXACTLY same - showing only their successes.
Precision strikes, captured ukrainians, genuine amasement about how Ukraine can sustain this level of losses, etc.
Last summer it was full of kinda zerg rush Leopard/Bradley failed attacks across mine fields for example.
You are used to seeing what "kiev" propaganda shows you. Truth is the first casualty of war.
Shouldn't make decisions based only on what one (interested) side wants you to see.
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