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Washout said:
Trump came close to imperilling Nato by genuinely raising the prospect of the US pulling out of it to his staff. Anyone who thinks he'd be good in any way shape or form during this needs their head looking at.
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Alternatively, a lot of Western European countries have been taking US military support for granted and haven't been spending what they agreed to spend on defence, countries like Germany are essentially letting US tax payers subsidise their defence spending while they're free to spend more on social programs, how is that fair on US tax payers? No I know, orange man bad.
 
robfosters said:
It’s mad to think that if Ukraine call up their reserve forces to fight, Wladimir Klitschko will go to war.

He could live like a king anywhere in the world, but instead he’s chose to potentially risk his life to defend his country. You can’t knock that.
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This could be a concern for Russia if that force is called up. They would significantly outnumber the current Russian forces in the area by about 6:1. If all are armed with NATO equipment that would probably catch Russia by surprise.
 
Russia would lose against NATO they would be forced to use Nukes. Another war they can't win.

Russia needs a slap and the best way to that currently is to rip them a new one economicaly for a decade. Putin is past it his age is against him no one below him will have the influence he does over people. Ukraine are the losers in all of this but let's not forget they are still not upto western standards socially far from it.
 
Dem2k said:
Weakest US president of my lifetime. Even Bill Clinton had more balls when they halfway in Monica.
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So, genuinely curious. What more, at this point, did you and the others criticising expect the US to do or say? Given that in order for any kind of diplomacy to work the US will still need cards to play. Ramping up of sanctions as Russia escalate things etc.

Fairly severe initial sanctions - check
Provide weapons to Ukraine - check
Bolster Nato countries next to Russia - check

What would your move have been at this point?!
 
Roar87 said:
Alternatively, a lot of Western European countries have been taking US military support for granted and haven't been spending what they agreed to spend on defence, countries like Germany are essentially letting US tax payers subsidise their defence spending while they're free to spend more on social programs, how is that fair on US tax payers? No I know, orange man bad.
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Well logically, why shouldn't Europe exploit the relationship for it's own benefit?
 
Rroff said:
Biden definitely isn't disincentivizing Putin from invading - if anything setting the ground for a limited conflict yet again in the hope of containing something more disruptive.
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Ukraine holds no strategic significance for the USA. Divide and conquer at its finest. Ukraine and Russia locked in a perpetual conflict which stunts progress for both countries whilst USA sweeps in to fill Russian gas hole with their LNG. Everything to gain and nothing to lose. Europe reaps higher energy prices, Ukraine and Russia in perpetual conflict. USA reigns supreme.
 
Nerusy said:
Ukraine holds no strategic significance for the USA. Divide and conquer at its finest. Ukraine and Russia locked in a perpetual conflict which stunts progress for both countries whilst USA sweeps in to fill Russian gas hole with their LNG. Everything to gain and nothing to lose. Europe reaps higher energy prices, Ukraine and Russia in perpetual conflict. USA reigns supreme.
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Spot on.

USA only looks after the USA's interests
 
Washout said:
So, genuinely curious. What more, at this point, did you and the others criticising expect the US to do or say? Given that in order for any kind of diplomacy to work the US will still need cards to play. Ramping up of sanctions as Russia escalate things etc.

Fairly severe initial sanctions - check
Provide weapons to Ukraine - check
Bolster Nato countries next to Russia - check

What would your move have been at this point?!
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Nato peace keepers on ukranian soil.
 
That speech by Biden was completely toothless. He fumbled his words and sounded like he didn't appreciate the gravity of the situation. Not impressed.
 
Roar87 said:
Because Americans will vote someone in like Trump, you do realise Europe is lucky to be under the umbrella of US protection, right?
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Which is the US's right as well.

Can't very well live in our Nietzschean individualism and complain when collective organisations fall apart.
 
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