Yes,Yes... lets drown Russia and turn into Yemen, cause thats what we need in a country with enough nukes to wipe the world few times.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Yes,Yes... lets drown Russia and turn into Yemen, cause thats what we need in a country with enough nukes to wipe the world few times.
Putin is someone who can be somewhat controlled and reasoned.
Russia without Putin will be something on Stalin scale... It seems you do not understand the vibe of Russian people....
If Putin goes, get ready for Soviet Union number 2... It really is in our best interest to keep Putin power, cause next guy will essentially drop the iron curtain but this time the people will be happy with it.
Your ordinary Russian despises the west and loathes for the past Soviet Union super-power status.... Pro-West leaders are associated with Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who vast majority of Russians consider to be complete traitors, Putin himself was already being slowly put in that trio until the Crimean crisis.
You go ask a Russian who they consider more of a hero, Stalin or Gorbachev and Yeltsin, you have to be living on other planet if you think that Russians going to elect a Pro-Western leader who makes Europe feel secure.
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If we handled situation in Ukraine differently, Putin already wouldve been on pitch forks...
All we had to do, is show the Russians that a country can rise up against its greedy leaders and throw them out while maintaining independence from outside influences and elect people who had sense in their brain and were truly interested in well being of the whole nation.
Instead, we showed Russians that we bank rolled weak fascists who are licking western bum hole, flash EU flag more than their own and salute their Nazi past.
Try to ban Russian language the first thing they came into power and refuse any talks of federalization to allow eastern regions to hail its own heroes and language.
All we had to do is make Maidan about people taking matter in their own hands and being strong independantly, rather than running around with Nazi-filled portraits and flags along with EU flag, once Yanukovich was gone, we should`ve pushed through a leader who represented both East and West rather than the West to which the eastern population responded as a defeat and took up arms to protect themselves, you can not expect Russians to sit back while what in their eyes seem as a Nazi government being imposed on them which forbids their language and burns down any hope of decentrilised power.
If the Junta wasnt so pro western and so far right, Crimea would never have happend, only reason why Russians had any chance there is because people in Crimea truly believed that their being/language/history were at risk... And guess what, they were right.
People seem to forget that Donbass, only requested for federalization to take place which would allow people in the east to protect their language and way of life.
Instead they first got called federalists, then seperatists and then terrorists... Now they are just being called Russian forces since the Ukraine media outtake on the situation that people of Donbass are pro-ukraine and the only people fighting there is the Russian army.
Over and over the Ukraine government has shown it gives absolute zero damn about opinion of nearly of half of its country who consider themselves Russians.
To Russians in Russia, it all seems as if we pushed through a Nazi party who is doing everything it can to eradicate the Russians while being widely supported and bank rolled by the West.
Good luck convincing them otherwise now, because I cant blame them for thinking that way, we showed it to them that way.
It just seems as if we messed up on every single stage on purpose to consolidate Putins Power in Russia... I just refuse to believe that thousands of intelligence personnel did not see how this would all play out in Putins favor, its either we have planned it from the begining or we are truly dumb beyond belief.
All we had to do, is show the Russians that a country can rise up against its greedy leaders and throw them out while maintaining independence from outside influences and elect people who had sense in their brain and were truly interested in well being of the whole nation.
Instead, we showed Russians that we bank rolled weak fascists who are licking western bum hole, flash EU flag more than their own and salute their Nazi past.
Try to ban Russian language the first thing they came into power and refuse any talks of federalization to allow eastern regions to hail its own heroes and language.
All we had to do is make Maidan about people taking matter in their own hands and being strong independantly, rather than running around with Nazi-filled portraits and flags along with EU flag, once Yanukovich was gone, we should`ve pushed through a leader who represented both East and West rather than the West to which the eastern population responded as a defeat and took up arms to protect themselves, you can not expect Russians to sit back while what in their eyes seem as a Nazi government being imposed on them which forbids their language and burns down any hope of decentrilised power.
If the Junta wasnt so pro western and so far right, Crimea would never have happend, only reason why Russians had any chance there is because people in Crimea truly believed that their being/language/history were at risk... And guess what, they were right.
People seem to forget that Donbass, only requested for federalization to take place which would allow people in the east to protect their language and way of life.
Instead they first got called federalists, then seperatists and then terrorists... Now they are just being called Russian forces since the Ukraine media outtake on the situation that people of Donbass are pro-ukraine and the only people fighting there is the Russian army.
Over and over the Ukraine government has shown it gives absolute zero damn about opinion of nearly of half of its country who consider themselves Russians.
To Russians in Russia, it all seems as if we pushed through a Nazi party who is doing everything it can to eradicate the Russians while being widely supported and bank rolled by the West.
Good luck convincing them otherwise now, because I cant blame them for thinking that way, we showed it to them that way.
It just seems as if we messed up on every single stage on purpose to consolidate Putins Power in Russia... I just refuse to believe that thousands of intelligence personnel did not see how this would all play out in Putins favor, its either we have planned it from the begining or we are truly dumb beyond belief.
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Scorza throwing personal insults since he cant say anything worth-wile on the topic 
I dont understand why should I go to Moscow? It would make sense for me to either be in London or Washington DC explaining that this is not the way to drive putin out of power
I do not deny Russian involvement in the Ukraine, but I keep saying that there was and is genuine support for Russians in Donbass and Crimea and this is due to failures of Ukraine government I listed above.
Crimean population genuinely supported Russian annexation and this was majorly due to failures of Ukraine government. Now that Crimeans look at Donbass, they support their decision even further...
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Again, it is failure of Ukranian government, they made the people in the South and East think as if they will never get a chance to do anything.
I keep saying, do you think the whole situation in Donbass would be happening if the government said, lets have a vote on federalisation let alone becoming independant?
Instead they laughed off the whole idea, do you expect people to have faith in such government for then on a later date to give them chance to decide whether they will join Russia or not.
As I shown in my previous posts, Ukranian government through its actions showed it has no respect for the Russian population of Ukraine constantly, did you expect the Russians in Ukraine to sit quietly and obide, and hope that sometime in the future, somehow, they will be given a chance to speak... While their schools/books/language being banned?
USA declared a war on England just cause of taxes, they didnt like that... In Ukraine peoples culture and way of life is at very risk from the government and you expect them to sit quietly and endure?
To Russians in Ukraine the pro-EU, Pro-Nazi history government policies is no different to how we`d feel if sharia law was imposed on us in UK. Would we just sit tight and hold on while the extremists would give us a right of voice and self-determination??
How would you feel if tomorrow, London was taken over by 3-4 million Islamists who overthrew Westminster and got into power and then started making and passing extremist laws? Then, when lets say Wales says they are not having none of that, we start calling them terrorists and bombing them.
Would you sit quietly and wait for a peaceful referendum which would allow me to keep my values? Or call up USA and beg for them to annex you?
I am sure that al-queeda and boko haram would make speeches and support the new pro-islamist UK... Just as whole western world does for Ukraine...
This sounds totally absurd but this is about how your average Russian-Ukranian views the whole situation.
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1) NATO has expanded into post soviet-territory when actually after the dissolution of soviet union it promised not to.
2) NATO members are not allowed to install any defences they want, they cannot have non-nato bases in their country.
3) NATO members are deeply encouraged to arm themselves only with NATO equipment and NATO ammunition.
4) Russia wanted to put its in Nukes in Cuba sometime ago, that worked well.... I am sure it wont even make news if Russia decides to deploy S-400 on Cuba along with few radars that would be able to scan whole USA. No issues.
I dont know about you, but if Russia deploys S-400 tomorrow on Cuba, I wont be exactly happy... Why should they be happy with Patriot missiles in Poland and other countries near them?
Is it because we are considered good guys who rain democracies on countries such as Libya who are bathing in sunshine and unicorns of democracy as we speak?
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Russians did not roll in just like that, referendum in Crimea was accurate with the numbers that supported Russia...
Given the situation that the new Ukranian government imposed on the country, what Russia has done was far more ethical in real world.
Referendum was held which allowed people of Crimea to make their choice what they wanted to be, even though referendum wasnt acknowledged by western countries, many will tell you that the vast majority of Crimean population supported russian annexation... A lot more than the mesely 10% gap in the referendum of scotland.
Oh dear....
Lets rephrase that from historical point of view.
The weaponry Soviet Union deployed in Cuba, concern USSR and Cuba. Its not US business.
Wish you were at the time Zethor.
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West threw a huge hissy fit when Russians put their missiles in Kaliningrad in Europe...
The way it works is that, West can put their missiles whenever and wherever and it shouldnt concern Russia... If Russia does it everyone looses their poo.
Key word "Official"...
Sending under-cover regular army into Ukraine, give each soldier a Russian passport.
Genius.jpg....
The only way this is plausible is that Russian Citizens who have no connections with Russian army went and took part in combat by their own will... Just like we have UK jihadists in Syria,Iraq,Afghanistan,ISIL.
How about recognizing that Donbass people do not see themselves as part of Ukraine anymore?
Kiev Authorities do not even recognize the local uprising, its all Russian regular army fighting....
Now imagine you were a Russian in Donbass, how would you feel if the government completely abolished your opinion and existence, would you want to be part of that country?
You are right that the only solution for Ukraine here is to completely eradicate all Pro-Russians living in Donbass since they gone so far that people in Donbass despise Kiev... Bring on the gas-chambers... Effective? Yes. Is this what we should be supporting in 2015 in Europe? Not so sure.
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Errr... Kosovo?
Its like picking a street, putting hardcore muslims on one side and chavs on other... Watch them throw poo at each other, and keep saying.. "Yes tis is horrible, but we must preserve the integrity of neighborhood!!!"
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Well who is attacking Ukraine?
They are having internal issues which are fueled by outside forces.
They did everything they could to mess everything up in their own country and now crying like cry babies begging for money and weapons... Waving Russian passports... just hillarious.
Oh and the Russian passports in hands of President?
What other solid proof we have? Twitter pictures of guy with beards in Georgia and in Ukraine.
Sounds good.
oh lord....
Love the badge, I think its time for me to go to Ukraine with my US passport and stick US Marines badge on my camo and take pictures with Ukranian forces.
This will be fool-proof evidence of US direct involvement in the Ukraine.
Along with these:
http://glagol.su/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/oruzhie-amerikanskoe-freesmi.by_.jpg
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You do understand its against protocol in Russian army to have a beard for active servicemen??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27aGJ20mQWY
US DRONES IN RUSSIA. US AT WAR WITH RUSSIA. WHY ARE WE NOT DEAD YET!?
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If Ukranian claims of Russian casualties were true, Russian army would not exist anymore.
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