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scorza said:
http://albertonardelli.tumblr.com/post/83217046292/dissecting-public-opinion-in-east-ukraine

More opinion poll analysis undermining the arguments of the pro-Russia militants in eastern Ukraine.
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From same link;

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So we can now safely say that the government is illegitimate hence they are terrorists since they have no support whatsoever yet they seized power.

This means, fighters in Slovianks are "Freedom Fighters" and the Ukranian army are truly "terrorists"

Awkward.


74.5% say Ukraine and Russia should be two independent states with open borders and without visas,
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Right, so the "Pro-EU" move is widely supported by the population then.

Nulir said:
e It Didn't take long Looks like they even forgot to remove their Telnyashka's first, oh dear.
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Well that convinced me really.... First class evidence...

I think Ukranian Millitary are all Russian too since they are using Ak-74`s, Russian APC`s and Millitary Helicoptres :eek::eek:
 
scorza said:
I think the apparent divide in opinion between east and west Ukraine is a real concern and sadly it seems like it's too late to try and do anything about it now :(
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Well who`s fault is that??? Russia`s? Or maybe the new government which refused to take into account the "Pro-Russian" views in half of their country?

Instead calling them separatist and terrorists and shooting them? It is clear that the Ukranian Government stance that Eastern Ukraine is invaded by "terrorists" and local population is held hostage in their cities under guns doesnt stick anymore.

As far as I know, in Eastern Ukraine these "terrorists" never asked Russia to annex them, all they want is federalization and possible sending of Russians peace-keepers to prevent the onslaught that is going on.

As I said previously, everything the "interim" government has done is to alienate Pro-Russian population which makes up nearly half of their country. All they are doing now, instead of seeking negotiation is call everyone who is against Regime a Terrorist and shoot on sight. Ukranian government said they refuse ALL Talks with "terrorists"

They even signed the EU-Association deal before the elections, what if a Pro-Russian president would have won the elections?? See, they didn't even bother thinking about that, its as if they already know who is going to win and what is going to happen. As far as I am aware, there isnt even a single Pro-Russian candidate for presidency since most have been made death-threats to and forced to pull out of the elections.

What outcome are they exactly expecting from all this in eastern-Ukraine, a place which is strongly Pro-Russian??? I mean a 2 year old can conclude that after all these actions the people would be deeply upset and angry.

What would happen if we banned SNP tomorrow and called them Separatist??? Pass a law in London saying that Scottish Accent is no longer acceptable and then start calling them all terrorists and shoot them if they take up arms and set-up road blocks on border of Scotland? Then we would say that its all Icelands fault, since they escalated the whole region. We would also say that we have no intention of dialogue since everyone in Scotland is a terrorist and should be eradicated.

Then we will go to UN and cry that bloody muslamics or something took over Scotland and made it all angry for no apparent reason.
 
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scorza said:
I think the Kiev government made mistakes but it's clear that Russia has been stoking the fires in eastern Ukraine with its continuous vile propaganda that has increased paranoia and tension over Kiev regime being fascists when they aren't.
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Well they are certainly behaving like ones?? Would a "democratic" government completely ignore view-points of around 40% of countries population and just do exact opposite of what they want?

Would "Democratic" government call "terrorists" and eradicate its citizens who deeply disagree with its governments policy, mind you... There is a lot of them, this isnt some 20 people.

Would Democratic government try to remove a language which nearly everyone speaks in more than half of the country?

Would Democratic government sign EU association deal, way before general elections?

Would Democratic government openly use far right a.k.a fascists militia to aid them in power?

Would Democratic government, isolate and kick out a political party which were against their viewpoints out of Government and propose complete ban of it?

It is clear that there is very deep divisions within Ukraine, any decent democratic government would at least propose voting on Federalization.

In fact, can you tell me 1 thing the Interim government has done which can be considered Democratic and representative of general population of Ukraine?
 
Danny75 said:
Kiev has cut the water supply to Crimea, while refusing to pay the gas debt to Russia (who is still supplying gas to them, without payment...).

The hypocrisy in just about everything that the US/EU/Kiev are doing is absolutely stunning. Claims of Russian interference in the east, while the head of the CIA visits Kiev to meet its leaders and hundreds of CIA agents are operating within Ukraine, according to a German report.

Self-determination should always trump "territorial integrity" when the cost of maintaining territorial integrity becomes the taking of countless lives. Those willing to give up their lives to defend their way of life and culture. For ****'s sake, there's even grannies confronting tanks now. Let's get real. These aren't terrorists. Nobody is setting bombs in Kiev, they are just defending their own homeland in the east.

Separate the West and East before its too late. Not like the US and others haven't done exactly that in the past with other countries, when it suited them.
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Hypocrisy is massive, however, I believe Crimea shouldn't have been annexed to Russia...

I believe that in worst case, West/East should have been divided into independent states via referendum with observers from all over the world observing the process.

Then if East wanted to join Russia... Again, a fair referendum should have been held.... But I assume there would be much more chances that the East Ukraine would be similar to Belarus.

All of this went to **** as you can see and we are on path to civil war...

UN is just a useless, corrupt organization. It seems countries like Syria/ukraine are just pawns on a big chess board between "big-boys"
 
Russian army fighting in Slovyanks = World known fact, telnyashkas says it all.

Western intelligence in Ukraine = Looool, ease on the shrooms boy!!!


Saddam didnt have Chemical Weapons = Loool, shrooms!!.... oh he didnt?....

British Soldiers in Libya = Loool, Shrooms!!... SAS surrendered to local farmers....

Government gathering its civilians information = Loool,Shrooms!! Tin-Foil hat!!!..... Oh, NSA???

Big Pharma bribing doctors = Tin foil hat!!! Shrooms!!!..... oh GsK incident?


List just goes on really doesnt it....
 
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Borsch said:
I dont think russia pays all of those "old women". Remember that russian pensions are 2-3 time higher than ukranian ones, same with salaries of civil service, teachers, military etc. Plus the language law thing blown up out of all proportions by the russian propaganda machine. Most "old ladies" ar in it for themselves now I think.
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I think every one of those grannies is recruited by Putin personally tbh.

He is a crafty lil bugger.
 
Borsch said:
Oh he is crafty all right! If he really wanted peace and stability, all he had to say that he will respect Ukraninan territorial sovereignty and will not accept Ukraine's eastern parts into russia. End of - pro-russians would have nothing to fight for. But he does not say that and its no accident.
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Or you can say, if EU never offered the association deal, none of the problems would even happen....

I am sure I read somewhere that even Kerry said that EU is to blame that crisis in Ukraine went out of proportion since they forced them to chose, Russia or EU.
 
Borsch said:
If you read my posts more carefully, you'll see that I didn't even mention the telnyashka shirts, I said that gunmen were wearing georgian bands and mixing with the por-russina mob, as well as being supported by the police whose chief has since escaped to the Russian controlled Transnistria region.
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His back-lash was economically justified... The EU deal is x100 worse in money terms than Russian one.
 
scorza said:
He's right for a change. If these reports turn out to be true then it's a massive own-goal by Kiev and presumably their US advisors. Previous reports of Academi involvement have turned out to be BS though, and the German media reporting this is the Bild - the German equivalent of The Sun, so I take this reports with a pinch of salt. Won't stop the Kremlin bots spreading this before its confirmed though.
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Yeah, it will take farmers to take them hostage to confirm it.... Like it happened in Libya with SAS....

We were also shouted at that there were no boots on ground.
 
Strife212 said:
Far more serious german paper: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...emi-kaempfen-gegen-separatisten-a-968745.html
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Rroff said:
I think your mis-understanding what hes saying - they have many ex-military on their books including people who come from backgrounds where they are highly trained SF, etc.

They tend to be a bit more than glorified security guards, they have extensive and ongoing training in hostage extraction, evasion techniques, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BbhZ5ziXdw
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Tin-Foil hat.
 
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