Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Status
Not open for further replies.
Soldato
Joined
13 Jan 2003
Posts
23,668
Not that this deserves a serious answer but...

Russia has lost a tiny fraction of its available for combat manpower, albeit they've lost a good percentage of their best trained and best experienced personnel, but then more will be gaining significant experience through the Ukraine war - there is no substitute to lessons learned in real combat. Even the poorer far east regions they've been heavily pulling man power from they've not exceeded around 10% of the reserves, in most regions that is still below 1%. If Putin goes down that path they can still mobilise world war levels of man power.

I think you need to look at this not from an army manpower but a nation manpower. If this is 10% of 10% then 1% of a nation being lost is a rather large deal. Now I could work out the details but it's probably in the 0.1-1.0% range at the moment. That's 0.1-1% and the nation's economy is close to breaking point. The nation has a history of revolution once a threshold that the serfdom can't tolerate.
 
Soldato
Joined
13 Jan 2003
Posts
23,668
No , the easy answer is to make sure Trump is in prison and barred from politics due to being a treasonous insurrectionist.
But then the ant-hill mob (capital hill get it?!:D) would try and break him out of prison and we end up with a Mexican-style cartel operating.
 
Man of Honour
Joined
13 Oct 2006
Posts
91,171
I think you need to look at this not from an army manpower but a nation manpower. If this is 10% of 10% then 1% of a nation being lost is a rather large deal. Now I could work out the details but it's probably in the 0.1-1.0% range at the moment. That's 0.1-1% and the nation's economy is close to breaking point. The nation has a history of revolution once a threshold that the serfdom can't tolerate.

It is still an open question really how far Russia might go or is prepared to go or how much their society will tolerate. So far they don't show many signs of pushing back against Putin.
 
Caporegime
Joined
18 Mar 2008
Posts
32,747
Article just released, not sure on all the sources, on Russia's existing and future military situation:


Key points:

-Kremlin projects victory needs to be/can be achieved by 2026 within their current planning for manpower mobilisation and industry output, without having to go to a full war mobilisation.

-Russian air force highly constrained by availability of trained let alone experienced pilots.

-Expect to be able to produce approx. 1500 tanks a year until 2026 via ~20% new and 80% refurbished from stored war stock.

-Has somewhat stabilised semi-conductor supplies but only by extensive investment in trying to expand on them which has failed.

-Required to manufacture ~5.6 million artillery shells over 2024 to be able to continue it aspirations in Ukraine in 2025, projected to only be able to produce about half of that with an expected lead-time of 5 years to setup new factories and material processing to accomplish that level of production. (5 years is likely not a hard limit and could be much quicker with civilian and industry mobilisation for the war effort).

-Has approx. 3 million rounds of artillery ammo left in storage, likely poor condition however, NK can provide around 2 million rounds.

-Russian prospects are declining, but it will depend on foreign support as to if Ukraine can out weather Russia to a point where the only option for both sides is to negotiate with Ukraine having the stronger hand, but that assumes Russia continues, or is limited to, the current trajectory of manpower, civil and industrial mobilisation towards the war effort.

EDIT:

The Russian aim for victory by 2026:



i.e. forcing capitulation of the entire country by establishing a geographic stranglehold and a head of state who can basically hand the rest of the country over to Russia.
Gotta love the concession basically being turbo Orban.
 
Soldato
Joined
21 Mar 2005
Posts
11,753
It is still an open question really how far Russia might go or is prepared to go or how much their society will tolerate. So far they don't show many signs of pushing back against Putin.
They won't be pushing back against Putin.

The whole Tucker circus got me reading about how many journalists have been bumped off in Russia.

I really dislike comparing any situation with Nazi Germany. But it did strike a few chords with a sort of Gestapo thing.
 
Soldato
Joined
13 Jan 2003
Posts
23,668
Gotta love the concession basically being turbo Orban.

So I read that as:
* russia will be victorious in 2026 (first headline selling the dream)
* but only if:
* we have more aircover - without you will not get headline
* we have lots more shells and we have 1/2 capacity and without increasing this you will not get headline
* we have new technology - we got some chips from china but unreliable in the field of the special operation (requiring redesigns) and pre-built drones from Iran.. (that headline.. well don't expect new tech to solve)
* we have a need of tanks - but will use old stock as the tanks and tank crews die in them (the tank crew is harder to replace) with missiles costing 1/10th of a new tank. (this basically says tanks are useless) and don't expect old tech to solve
* therefore we need more troops to put in the firing line Zergs and build guns to support - so either war economy under military control or STFU because we're going home.
 
Last edited:
Soldato
Joined
15 Feb 2012
Posts
3,290
Location
2
No there's not, if they can't capture Kyiv then how is there a risk they go further? They've taken just 20% of one single Eastern European country and taken 300,000+ casualties and lost about 50% of their hardware. Just stop with this **** take, I know the media repeat it because it's a propaganda line in order to win support for Ukraine, but it's very easy to logically see that it's impossible.
This is probably true in the short-term, although not necessarily. But what about in five to ten years, after leveraging the industrial capacity, natural resources, and agriculture of the captured area? They would also forcibly mobilise all the guys from sixteen to sixty. Finally, the reason it could happen even sooner, if Lukasheko dies, Russia will take control of Belarus overtly, and that is a brand new army at their disposal.
 
Soldato
Joined
13 Jan 2003
Posts
23,668
Makes you think about all navies surface fleets vs what i assume was a "sea drone attack" type of thing. I doubt the UK or even USA could stop stuff like this?

or was it a missile based attack?

Indeed - underwater and surface drones are a big big growth + R&D area at the moment.

Got a nuclear deterrent submarine? Well those underwater drones that loiter could be a difficult issue..
Got an aircraft carrier to project force? Well...
Got undersea cables for infrastructure and comms? Well..
Need to blockade an island you're trying to reclaim? Again..
Need to blockade a critical shipping route through middle east? Again..
 
Soldato
Joined
5 Mar 2003
Posts
10,760
Location
Nottingham
Makes you think about all navies surface fleets vs what i assume was a "sea drone attack" type of thing. I doubt the UK or even USA could stop stuff like this?

or was it a missile based attack?
I'm no expert but surely sea drones are easier to spot than submarines and their torpedos?
 
Soldato
Joined
21 Mar 2005
Posts
11,753
I'm no expert but surely sea drones are easier to spot than submarines and their torpedos?
Yes but drones are cheap and plentiful (Navy ones will be soon enough) plus the unmanned crew have no fear...

Warfare really has changed which I find a tad worrying also. With regard with drones being cheap and available for the non rich West and available to "rogue" states, all sorts of things could be just around the corner.
 
Last edited:
Associate
Joined
20 May 2009
Posts
1,054
Location
Essex
They won't be pushing back against Putin.

The whole Tucker circus got me reading about how many journalists have been bumped off in Russia.

I really dislike comparing any situation with Nazi Germany. But it did strike a few chords with a sort of Gestapo thing.

Tbh, Russia's/USSR's history is littered with assainations of dissidents, and people who oppose the regime. You can look back all the way to the Tsars in the 18th century for recorded history of these happening all the time. Irocically, I've just finished watching Litvinenko on itv. Can't believe that was 2006 - seems such a long time ago, and in the same year, a month before, Anna Politkovskaya, a Russian anti-Putin journalist was assasinated who had close ties to Litvinenko. All of these had direct links back to Putin.
 
Soldato
Joined
21 Oct 2012
Posts
10,838
Location
London/S Korea
Trump advisor says Trump wants a tiered NATO system from 2025, where article 5 only applies to countries who spend 2% or more GDP on defence and also countries who fail to meet the 2% will lose access to U.S military supplies - for example let's say your country spends 1.5% and your F35 needs new spare parts, well better not ask America for parts if Trump is there. Lastly countries may also be excluded from participating in joint exercises- such a lol idea

So in summary, any country who doesn't pay at least 2% will according to Trump lose:

* article 5 protections
* access to American parts and supplies
* access to major joint exercises

Trump's advisor says anyone who doesn't like it can take the door and leave

Trump creating the NATO subscription model :cry:

I’m more comfortable with this than US pulling out of NATO
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom