**Unofficial Tyre Thread**

Tyre companies would have you believe that all-season tyres give you the best of both worlds, but honestly, from all of the reviews I've seen, it's more like the worst of both.

They don't really do well anywhere, they're just "ok" in all conditions. Where I live we haven't had snow (more than a dusting) in 3 years, but we've had plenty of wet and dry weather which my regular tyres perform the best in.

The question you have to ask yourself is - do you marginally improve grip in snow at the cost of having worse tyres the rest of the time?

They'll also wear quicker, especially in warm conditions.

Interesting, thanks for the comments. I'd read quite a few reviews, and most were quite positive. What would you recommend as an alternative? Ideally I'd like to spend around £500 for the set (inc fitting). The CrossClimates were £516 when I last checked.
 
What are your thoughts? Am I thinking along the right lines? The car currently has Nexen on it which have been OK but they're ready for replacement.

Moving from Nexens, I think you will find any premium or UHP tyre will perform much better in all conditions anyway - I wouldn't personally bother with all-seaon tyres.

What tyre size are you looking at?
 
Tyre companies would have you believe that all-season tyres give you the best of both worlds, but honestly, from all of the reviews I've seen, it's more like the worst of both.

They don't really do well anywhere, they're just "ok" in all conditions. Where I live we haven't had snow (more than a dusting) in 3 years, but we've had plenty of wet and dry weather which my regular tyres perform the best in.

The question you have to ask yourself is - do you marginally improve grip in snow at the cost of having worse tyres the rest of the time?

They'll also wear quicker, especially in warm conditions.

The actual most cost effective way to do it is to get a second set of wheels (second hand) for putting winter tyres on. And running summer wheels and tyres in the summer. The end result is that the tyre costs are neutral because the tread you use in the winter doesn't come off the summer tyres, and vice versa. Then the second hand wheels, so long as you don't completely wreck them, will still be worth roughly what you paid when you are finished with them. Then you can have proper quality tyres all year round, at the most cost effective price.

The problem is that it is a big outlay at this time of year. But, you have the advantage of looking at replacing all 4 tyres just now anyway, it just means another outlay come spring again. But on the plus side, when you change car, if the winter wheels don't fit your new car, you can sell these, and use the money to fund winter wheels for the next car (top tip, try to get them in the same size as the older wheels, and just swap the tyres over).

Of course, if you have nowhere to store a second set of wheels, then the cross-climate do get good reviews, and are probably the better compromise.
 
The trouble is that by going the second set of wheels route unless you go for tiny little things and make the car look crap, the cost is absolutely enormous. And if you don't care about your car looking crap for 5 months of the year why spend the extra money on your AMG SPORT S-LINE BLACK EDITION M SPORTZZZZ in the first place?

I bought a set of original Cooper 15's for the Mini and fitted a set of Goodyear Ultragrip 8's for 45 quid each. The wheels were virtually new and were 350 for the set and the tyres were cheap as chips. Plus they look ok on the car. We've had them 3 years now and although they've seen only 30 minutes of snow in their entire life they were cheap enough that it was worth the bother.

But it's not often possible to do that.

Look at your F11 for example - you paid extra for an M Sport with M Sport Plus and then spent half the year rolling around on those awful 18's :p If you didn't care about the looks the 19's offered why spec them in the first place ;)

Really then unless you live in the Peak District or the Highlands the best option is a set of 4 decent UHP tyres with excellent wet weather performance. It'll take 99% of what a British winter throws at you with ease and safety, without needing to make massive compromises elsewhere - be that in looks, or reduced performance in other conditions All Seasons, etc.
 
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Or do what I did and buy an SE on crappy 16s and buy 2nd hand 18s for summer ;)
Car looks ridiculous now, but I really couldn't care less anymore, and it's SO much more comfortable on 225/55 16s.

ContiWinterContact TS850Ps are performing quite well I must say. Was around 5C and moist this morning and I only got wheelspin coming into work under the trees. Expected understeer on a hairpain joining the motorway but it just gripped.
They wander all over the place at autobahn speed but they're not particularly noisy - quieter than PSS in any case! - so I'm quite happy.

I was a bit concerned when I put them on and it was 12C as they were a bit sketchy, but now they've done 2500km and the temps have dropped, they're impressive.
 
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The trouble is that by going the second set of wheels route unless you go for tiny little things and make the car look crap, the cost is absolutely enormous. And if you don't care about your car looking crap for 5 months of the year why spend the extra money on your AMG SPORT S-LINE BLACK EDITION M SPORTZZZZ in the first place?

I bought a set of original Cooper 15's for the Mini and fitted a set of Goodyear Ultragrip 8's for 45 quid each. The wheels were virtually new and were 350 for the set and the tyres were cheap as chips. Plus they look ok on the car. We've had them 3 years now and although they've seen only 30 minutes of snow in their entire life they were cheap enough that it was worth the bother.

But it's not often possible to do that.

Look at your F11 for example - you paid extra for an M Sport with M Sport Plus and then spent half the year rolling around on those awful 18's :p If you didn't care about the looks the 19's offered why spec them in the first place ;)

Really then unless you live in the Peak District or the Highlands the best option is a set of 4 decent UHP tyres with excellent wet weather performance. It'll take 99% of what a British winter throws at you with ease and safety, without needing to make massive compromises elsewhere - be that in looks, or reduced performance in other conditions All Seasons, etc.

Well, for my F11, I wasn't initially going to go for the 19's, as I didn't really care about what wheels were on it, as I had a view to put winter tyres on the original wheels, and buying bigger ones for summer use. But I WAS going for the tints and HK stereo, so for the extra £500 I figured I'd just go for the 19's too, rather than the £1k+ for them, or whatever the difference was because of the pack.

The 18's were hardly hideous, and, in fact, were much nicer than the 18's that come standard on the M-Sport anyway. And they were at a reasonable enough price that I could get on board.

The point is though, that the wheels, if bought second hand, and looked after, will be worth close to the purchase price anyway. Regardless if they cost £300 or £1,000. And, as I did with the Alhambra, and will do with the ED30, buy better summer wheels, and demote the original wheels to winters.

Sure, it is an extra expense, but depending on the vehicle, new wheels can be cheap enough. I was £350 for the 18's on my Alhambra (B8 A4 S-Line 18's), and they came with winter tyres, which I sold for £100. I doubt very much I wouldn't get that £250 back if I sold them. Meaning there is a zero cost for the wheels. And the tyres, well they wear whether summer or winter tyres, so the net cost there, is also "zero".

Since we are here though (tyre thread), and I am looking for tyres for the 16's for the Alhambra, has anyone ever heard anything about the new Avon WT7 Snow's? I am considering trying them out, mostly because they are new and cheap. Although I have generally run Conti winters, and they are very good, they are roughly twice the price.
 
These TS850Ps really are something else. 5C and lashing it down today, and not a single sign of wheelspin. Pretty sure my PSS would have spun when I floored it.

I'm amazed at how Conti keep raising the bar. I remember being impressed by TS810s and subsequently by TS830s but these 850Ps are incredible. Impressive stuff.
 
These TS850Ps really are something else. 5C and lashing it down today, and not a single sign of wheelspin. Pretty sure my PSS would have spun when I floored it.

Because PSS are weak in the wet, not because its cold. My F1A2's handled conditions like that brilliantly.

Kinda miss them. The PZero's suck.
 
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Because PSS are weak in the wet, not because its cold. My F1A2's handled conditions like that brilliantly.

Kinda miss them. The PZero's suck.

PSS tyres are absolutely fine in the wet, but once the temperature drops to around 5c, they start becoming slippery.
 
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How useful. 5c and raining shouldn't be wheelspin central in a 2 litre TDI with a decent uhp tyre.

A) you can wheelspin in a 1.0l Micra.
B) You can wheelspin on any tyre in any condition.
C) I was addressing your inaccurate comment that the PSS "sucks in the wet" and your inference it was nothing to do with the cold.

Out of interest have you used the MPSS, because you're certainly very opinionated about them considering you have a glossy Evo magazine as your only source. Pretty much every other magazine/reviews has put the MPSS as either the best or second best when compared to the the F1A2 and CSC5p.
 
Well I am of the opinion that the Bridgestone's on my Polo are rubbish in the wet. I had to take it for a drive to Manchester today in the wet and due to traffic my sat nav bought me around the countryside on the way back so perfect opportunity to have some fun. Understeer and wheel spin galore is the most memorable aspect, but not very satisfying. Even without power corrupting the front end, the grip was poor.

To add I had Continentals put on the MX5 yesterday, the Sport 5's and so far they seem another good fit for the car. Now to fix the R8's tyres.....
 
C) I was addressing your inaccurate comment that the PSS "sucks in the wet"

So what's mjt's issue then?

Either he's purchase justifying his TS850P's, or the PSS offered him poor wet weather performance in hardly sub zero temperatures as he's hardly rocking a C63 AMG.

I guess either could be true, but I'd imagine its the latter not the former.

I never had traction issues in the wet until I moved away from F1A2's to another tyre. Plus wet performance is recognised as the one area the PSS isn't all-conquering, even Michelin themselves have conceded this when introducing the PS4.
 
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So what's mjt's issue then?Either he's purchase justifying his TS850P's

Doubt it. I completely believe what mjt said, but as I said previously, it's likely to be the cold and wet as this is when I myself have noticed the performance drops off.

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the PSS offered him poor wet weather performance in hardly sub zero temperatures as he's hardly rocking a C63 AMG.

Don't mix up wet weather performance with aquaplaning resistance. Evo magazine are the only ones to mark the PSS right down for this. Other reviews have made comments on the aquaplaning resistance but have said the wet weather performance is generally very good. Autobild have done several reviews which have included all of top UHP tyres and the MPSS has come 1st, 2nd and 3rd in all of them.

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I never had traction issues in the wet until I moved away from F1A2's to another tyre.

The F1A2s are very good in the wet and very progressive when they reach the limit. I have them on the Mini, and the 335 and 330 and they were lovely. It really depends on what tyre you moved to in order to comment.

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Plus wet performance is recognised as the one area the PSS isn't all-conquering, even Michelin themselves have conceded this when introducing the PS4.

Not all conquering, but very good. Aquaplaning resistance is its weakest area but this is extreme wet weather performance rather than just a wet road. The PS4 is a progression of the PSS so naturally they have made progress on all areas, from ride comfort, to noise to aquaplaning resistance.

I stand by my comment that wet weather performance on the MPSS is very good. Extreme wet weather and cold wet weather performance is where it doesn't perform as well as some of the competition.
 
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It might be very good on some cars, perhaps not all. DSC saved me from aquaplaning on a wet section of motorway when I had the PSS. And I've always felt the PSS were not as great in the wet as the internet would otherwise have you believe.

On the flipside, I've had the direct opposite wet driving experience with the CSC6. Simply superb wet performance, and no DSC anchor when jumping into a gap at traffic junctions like I used to get on wet and cold MPSS tyres.

Personally, I would never pay money for MPSS tyres on a road car these days, I'd go PS4/CSC6 and save some money, whilst gaining greater on the road traction.
 
Yup I'd have the PS4s too. As above, aquaplaning/extreme wet weather performance on the MPSS isn't it's strong point. Mild and wet is no worse than any other high performance tyre I've had. I'll be honest, i've never really seen the internet praise, let alone overstate, it's wet weather ability. It's usually the feel and the confidence it gives when hooning in dry weather which is commented on.
 
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