Valorant

[Felon]

"The client does not consider a machine trusted unless it recognizes the driver"

So some dedicated hacker is going to reverse engineer the driver, any built in Windows validation will be in the hands of the OS owner ultimately and ways around driver signing, etc. exist, and then send commands to the client as if it is the driver, the client then happily works.

Happened before, will happen again. Not saying they shouldn't bother but ultimately there is only one way to effectively negate the impact of cheating in your games for people.

Why not reach out to the anti-cheat and security teams at Riot, they're a seriously talented bunch of people. I'm sure they'd be willing to hear your insights and where they're going wrong. Riot is pretty transparent and we're always interested of hearing from external people about how we can improve things, or make things better if we get them wrong.

Pretty sure they'd be interested in anything you have to say to them

 

[Rroff]

Why not reach out to the anti-cheat and security teams at Riot, they're a seriously talented bunch of people. I'm sure they'd be willing to hear your insights and where they're going wrong. Riot is pretty transparent and we're always interested of hearing from external people about how we can improve things, or make things better if we get them wrong.

Pretty sure they'd be interested in anything you have to say to them

I'm not sure I can provide that kind of expertise though I have a lot of programming experience I've no hands on experience with driver/kernel programming in Windows. Though done a little in Linux but that was following information from Google searches.

Having spent many years playing these games and being a private beta tester for ATVI up until ETQW release I've seen it all before.

EDIT: When I said about only being one way above I meant in terms of giving people a refuge where like minded players can get together and they are in control something that even private party systems don't tend to fully cater for. Ultimately any other approach when it comes to FPS games will fail even if it slows cheating for awhile unless you have full control of every player's PC.

 

[Worthy]

I'm just happy they seem to be taking the integrity seriously. It's always going to be a push-pull battle against cheaters with the amount of money involved in it.

 

[Rroff]

I'm just happy they seem to be taking the integrity seriously. It's always going to be a push-pull battle against cheaters with the amount of money involved in it.

Moving stuff properly to the server being authoritative is a good one - too many games the developers have been lazy and let the client have too much say using a crude (relatively speaking) history buffer and that lets all kind of cheating through that is largely possible to prevent such as physics hacks and weapon RPM hacks.

 

[Shimmy]

Surprised by the sweeping negativity on here and almost exclusively by those that haven't even tried it, especially as it's F2P!

Anyone who has remotely enjoyed CS is likely to enjoy Valorant, it's basically the same premises on maps/rotations/gun play/economy but with extra utility.

It's incredibly polished, nevermind for a beta.

It is legitimately hyped on merit of its game play. There are many eSports professionals from other FPS titles that are spending the vast majority of their time playing this game now; A - because they are really enjoying it, B - because they realise this game VERY likely has a bright competitive future ahead.

 

[Rroff]

Surprised by the sweeping negativity on here and almost exclusively by those that haven't even tried it, especially as it's F2P!

Anyone who has remotely enjoyed CS is likely to enjoy Valorant, it's basically the same premises on maps/rotations/gun play/economy but with extra utility.

It's incredibly polished, nevermind for a beta.

It is legitimately hyped on merit of its game play. There are many eSports professionals from other FPS titles that are spending the vast majority of their time playing this game now; A - because they are really enjoying it, B - because they realise this game VERY likely has a bright competitive future ahead.

I'm surprised by some of the negativity but I think the hype is actually hurting this one. It doesn't seem like a bad game overall looks like a reasonably competent effort but it is getting hyped up like it is doing something new and revolutionary and so amazing but those of us who are older than about 16-20 or so have seen it all before and nothing it is showing is new to us.

Problem is a lot of games more recently have for various reasons let slide a lot of aspects it seems to be getting right but many of the people who are being negative here are older gamers who remember when this was more like the normal before publishers started slamming out mass produced games with the minimum work required to get them functional, etc. (that isn't to say there weren't terribly optimised, buggy, clunky games back in the day as there definitely were).

 

[V F]

I'm surprised by some of the negativity but I think the hype is actually hurting this one. It doesn't seem like a bad game overall looks like a reasonably competent effort but it is getting hyped up like it is doing something new and revolutionary and so amazing but those of us who are older than about 16-20 or so have seen it all before and nothing it is showing is new to us.

Problem is a lot of games more recently have for various reasons let slide a lot of aspects it seems to be getting right but many of the people who are being negative here are older gamers who remember when this was more like the normal before publishers started slamming out mass produced games with the minimum work required to get them functional, etc. (that isn't to say there weren't terribly optimised, buggy, clunky games back in the day as there definitely were).

I miss those days and F2P games has a really sour taste in my mouth now. Along with that "Early Access" crap they fly under to get away with laziness.

 

[Shimmy]

I'm surprised by some of the negativity but I think the hype is actually hurting this one. It doesn't seem like a bad game overall looks like a reasonably competent effort but it is getting hyped up like it is doing something new and revolutionary and so amazing but those of us who are older than about 16-20 or so have seen it all before and nothing it is showing is new to us.

Problem is a lot of games more recently have for various reasons let slide a lot of aspects it seems to be getting right but many of the people who are being negative here are older gamers who remember when this was more like the normal before publishers started slamming out mass produced games with the minimum work required to get them functional, etc. (that isn't to say there weren't terribly optimised, buggy, clunky games back in the day as there definitely were).

Have you tried it?

I've played CS for 15 years. Neither 1.6/CS:S or CS:GO were remotely polished on release. In fact CS:GO was pretty much ******* on release and only got better after about 2 years.

Valorant in its beta stage is leaps and bounds better than any CS version at release, and Riot's continued success in LoL is why people are excited in them bringing out an FPS title.

 

[Rroff]

I've played CS for 15 years. Neither 1.6/CS:S or CS:GO were remotely polished on release.

I've not been criticising it on polish but I've not played much CS:GO they took CS in a direction that didn't really interest me and my interests had gone elsewhere by that point - jumped in the odd game about a year after release to join friends but generally I've not really played it so no idea what it was like on release.

Got into the original CS late in the beta period can't remember which release now but it was right after they removed the scope from the M4A1 - it was pretty polished by that point at least as far as games went at that time, I don't recall CS:S being terrible on release.

and Riot's continued success in LoL is why people are excited in them bringing out an FPS title.

This isn't just people being excited there is a whole hype train partly driven by Riot fanboys that is making out like it is something groundbreaking and it simply isn't - that isn't to say it is bad but it isn't doing anything truly new or truly not seen before.

 

[Worthy]

This isn't just people being excited there is a whole hype train partly driven by Riot fanboys that is making out like it is something groundbreaking and it simply isn't - that isn't to say it is bad but it isn't doing anything truly new or truly not seen before.

No-one has ever said it's groundbreaking. It's completely the opposite if you're over the age of 30. It takes the best bits of "proper" CS and puts a new skin on it for us. It's fantastic.

 

[Rroff]

No-one has ever said it's groundbreaking.

Actually they have quite a few articles, twitter/streamers etc. hyping it up along those lines (just quick example from Google search https://andbox.com/valorant-collegiate-tournament/ )

There is a whole hype train driving it on as if the second coming as if none of them have ever actually played something like this before

EDIT: If people like the game that is fine by me I'm just bemused by the hype that it is getting around a lot of parts which doesn't match up at all to what I'm seeing. As an old school CS player I was in it for the pure gun play I wouldn't play that kind of game for abilities and if I wanted abilities (which I'm not against in the right context) there are plenty of other games I personally find more interesting to play.

 

[Yurka]

Got into the original CS late in the beta period can't remember which release now but it was right after they removed the scope from the M4A1 - it was pretty polished by that point at least as far as games went at that time, I don't recall CS:S being terrible on release.

That was beta 6 when they removed the scope and included new US Seal added & akimbo pistols

 

[Drollic]

Actually they have quite a few articles, twitter/streamers etc. hyping it up along those lines (just quick example from Google search https://andbox.com/valorant-collegiate-tournament/ )

There is a whole hype train driving it on as if the second coming as if none of them have ever actually played something like this before

EDIT: If people like the game that is fine by me I'm just bemused by the hype that it is getting around a lot of parts which doesn't match up at all to what I'm seeing. As an old school CS player I was in it for the pure gun play I wouldn't play that kind of game for abilities and if I wanted abilities (which I'm not against in the right context) there are plenty of other games I personally find more interesting to play.

It's mostly on the basis of drops to get in the beta. The streamers enjoy it as they see huge numbers on stream, more followers, subs and donations. When the Tarkov drops were on it was just the same.

 

[Felon]

This isn't just people being excited there is a whole hype train partly driven by Riot fanboys that is making out like it is something groundbreaking and it simply isn't - that isn't to say it is bad but it isn't doing anything truly new or truly not seen before.

It's mostly on the basis of drops to get in the beta. The streamers enjoy it as they see huge numbers on stream, more followers, subs and donations. When the Tarkov drops were on it was just the same.

Thing is, League of Legends has been the biggest game on Twitch and one of the biggest games in Esports for a long time now, to the point where the tournaments and events Riot puts on for League eclipse almost everything else, for example more people streamed our 2019 Worlds event, than watched the superbowl.

So be honest, it should come as no real surprise that when the company responsible for League, announces it's bringing out a free to play competitive FPS title, built specifically for Esports, beta drops or not - it should be expected to come with a lot of hype by default, simply by virtue of Riot's existing player base and industry influence.

 

[CliffyG]

Been playing it most of today. Runs very well for a beta and didn't notice any bugs. Took me quite a while to get the hang of it even thought it's very similar to other games. Had a really good last game, we went down to 4 players and ended up winning 13/12 with me having the most kills (29). Been using the healer mostly.

 

[CliffyG]

Little confused by the Agent Contracts. You can only have 1 enabled at a time but you have to select it before starting to play and it's not guaranteed you'll be able to get the one you want. I'm not sure what the point of it being like that is.

 

[Worthy]

Little confused by the Agent Contracts. You can only have 1 enabled at a time but you have to select it before starting to play and it's not guaranteed you'll be able to get the one you want. I'm not sure what the point of it being like that is.

You earn points against whichever agent contract you have active, regardless of who you're playing in game. The level 5 contract reward unlocks the agent if it isn't currently unlocked.

 

[CliffyG]

Ah thanks that makes a little more sense.

 

[Rroff]

Ooof RJN isn't a fan - not quite sure why he is so jaded about it, not sure if his reaction is due to not getting a code or maybe just isn't his thing hence the tone of the video, but I guess comes from similar routes to me and the hype train is just leaving a sour taste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5djxyT_27w

Ultimately for some of us old school CS/Quake route player it just isn't our thing - does make a couple of observations that resonate with me as well.

 

[Worthy]

Still haven't tried it, huh?