Vaping

I on't think vaping is safe.
Yep, the research says it is.
but then putting anything into one's lungs - even water - cannot be safe in the long-term. Only air is supposed to go into one's lungs, and not anything else.

the thing with research is that no finding is ever permanent, and it's not worth the risk imho. I don't get why people smoke. Drinking is another thiing since booze tastes good and one can get drunk. But smoking doesn't provide a buzz (unless it's weed or some crushed speed or something) and tastes like ****. Smoking was some fad invented by 16/17th-century people to look cool because they visited the New World but it stuck and we're paying the price.
 
Nothing of note for years, then suddenly 20-odd people in the same place get ill after vaping dodgy, street-bought spice/THC cartridges... Vaping is to blame! Nothing to do with WHAT they chose to vape, it's vaping's fault. Yeah.

Plenty of media telling the truth. I see those choosing to quote are picking the articles which omit the details. This is not legitimate 'ecig' juice they were vaping.
But CDC are so eager to continue the scare-stories that they are happy to conflate nicotine vaping with illegal street drug use.
 
How many million vapers? How many years? Over a decade.
22 people in one place get ill at the same time and everyone's like "Oh my, look how bad vaping is!" without even raising a question in their own minds? Really?

Odd, isn't it?
 
String said:
Do you vape?
What is your threshold in terms of evidence, how much do you need?
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22 cases out of tens of millions of vapers worldwide. Vaping street THC carts. That says to me this is not a 'vaping' issue per se.

My threshold would be a report or study that doesn't have serious omissions, conflations, deliberate obfuscations or exaggerated conclusions. But that rules out almost everything coming out of America, a country where they need people to smoke to service their huge Master Settlement bond debts. I've never seen pure, outright lies printed in published studies before, but it's almost a daily occurrence in the US.
 
adidan said:
Yup but it's not just the plant material on its own is it.

Like i say it's all a bit vague. Who knows, too many variables.
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Yes it is just the plant material on its own.....

Speaking from 1st hand experience, are you?
 
DoneADougalOnSofa said:
22 cases out of tens of millions of vapers worldwide. Vaping street THC carts. That says to me this is not a 'vaping' issue per se.

My threshold would be a report or study that doesn't have serious omissions, conflations, deliberate obfuscations or exaggerated conclusions. But that rules out almost everything coming out of America, a country where they need people to smoke to service their huge Master Settlement bond debts. I've never seen pure, outright lies printed in published studies before, but it's almost a daily occurrence in the US.
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Do you vape?
 
The authorities in the US have no idea about vaping. We hear senators and governors spouting utter nonsense that sounds like someone's literally just made it up on the spot, and the whole room waves it's torches and pitchforks and yells "Yeaaaaahhhhh!" every time.
 
DoneADougalOnSofa said:
I assume that because I vape, you intend to disregard everything I say?
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Of course.

Can't you see the irony in your approach here? You disregard all studies because they don't meet your [justified] strict criteria in terms of impartiality, yet you expect me to listen to someone who is addicted to the drug. It's confirmation bias 101.

We could go around in as many circles as you like, but what it really boils down to is simple choice.

1. Wait the years that are required for a proper study to be completed, continue to consume the chemicals on a daily basis while you wait.

2. Wait the years that are required for a proper study to be completed, refuse to consume the chemicals until you know they are safe.
 
I don’t believe that vaping is harmless; you’re heating several chemicals including flavourings to hundreds of degrees, then inhaling the vapour. However, it seems to be widely agreed by doctors that it’s much better than smoking, but that no long term studies exist to explore the ramifications of vaping.

I do believe it’s massively healthier than smoking, and I’m delighted to hear of people switching from smoking to vaping. I’ve seen many people quit using a e-cigarette devices, and I think that’s wonderful.

To my knowledge, vaping isn’t marketed as a ‘harmless’ replacement. Is an alternative nicotine delivery system, with lots of flavours, and without the god-awful stench that clings to smokers. It is also anecdotally very beneficial to make the switch.

It’s worth bearing in mind that people can vape for other reasons; some believe / find that nicotine and/or CBD oil can help with pain or inflammation.

I’m not a big fan of the choo choo trainers who feel the need to chuck massive clouds around other people, but see no issue with those who use MTL devices of a subtler nature. Ten times out of ten I’d rather stand in a group of vapers than a group of smokers. Whilst I’m not judging, it’s hard to deny that smoking is a disgusting habit, whereas vaping is just a bit silly.

I don’t feel a burning need to judge other people for their choices though; I’m too busy living my life, and enjoying it. What I can’t xomprehend is people saying there’s no way vaping is a better alternative to smoking... it quite obviously is.

We haven’t had a double-blind study on whether me flicking your ear or repeatedly punching you in the groin is more harmful, but we can make an educated guess. I’ll glove up if you want to test the theory :p
 
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