VEGA IS FINALLY HERE, ITS IN STOCK ALONG WITH SOME EPIC BUNDLES & FREESYNC DEALS!!

Ayahuasca · 15 Aug 2017 at 14:50

wccftech are going to have to start paying Gibbo soon

Diagro · 15 Aug 2017 at 14:58

I may end up buying a second hand 1080 or TI.

Sold my twin 290x's for this -.-

disi · 15 Aug 2017 at 15:01

It is about right, ~£500 the card, ~£150 the EK waterblock and ~£130 taxes...

ubersonic · 15 Aug 2017 at 15:05

LoadsaMoney said:
AMD’s RX Vega 64’s $499 Price Tag Was A ‘Launch Only’ Introductory Offer By The Company – OcUK Reports
http://wccftech.com/amds-rx-vega-64s-499-price-tag-was-a-launch-only-introductory-offer/

Hang on:

According to OC UK’s Gibbo(via OC3D), AMD’s launch MSRP of $399 and $499 for the RX Vega 56 and 64 respectively, were only “introductory offers” and an “early adopter” discount by the company. Considering the fact that no one was told of this fact beforehand and that all reviews went live assuming the stated ‘introductory’ MSRPs were permanent, this is an incredibly upsetting news.

Wccftech were one of the outlets who broke the news days ago that AMD were instructing retailers to use $599 not $499 lol.

Erik13 · 15 Aug 2017 at 15:27

ubersonic said:
Hang on:

Wccftech were one of the outlets who broke the news days ago that AMD were instructing retailers to use $599 not $499 lol.

This is actually smart move. They know that prices will go up like crazy cause of miners and retailers will get all the benefits. With this strategy they are gonna take a small slice from that miner cake

D.P. · 15 Aug 2017 at 15:30

Ayahuasca said:
Wouldn't say too slow unless you only play specific titles it does poorly in but drivers I'd imagine will fix this.

Air cooled load temperature seems to be around the same as a 1080FE but I imagine it will be chucking out a bit more heat into the room with the increased power usage, from reviews though it doesn't look as massive as some are making out but still it's not really something you can defend from AMD. It's also slightly louder by a couple of decibels than a 1080FE.

At the £450 mark the price was fine. The 56 looks like a better choice if you don't need the bit of extra performance from the 64.

Moise is measured on a logarithmic scale, those "few decibels" equate to 3-4X the noise of a faster 1080.

Ayahuasca · 15 Aug 2017 at 15:31

D.P. said:
Moise is measured on a logarithmic scale, those "few decibels" equate to 3-4X the noise of a faster 1080.

The difference on graphs I've seen is within 2 decibels, they are not 3-4 times the noise of a 1080FE.

alec · 15 Aug 2017 at 15:38

D.P. said:
Noise is measured on a logarithmic scale, those "few decibels" equate to 3-4X the noise of a faster 1080.

Difference of 3 dB equals double sound power (whatever that is). Difference of 6 dB is double sound amplitude (volume)

Ayahuasca · 15 Aug 2017 at 15:42

alec said:
Difference of 3 dB equals double sound power (whatever that is). Difference of 6 dB is double sound amplitude (volume)

Yeah that's about right for sound power and amplitude, however in humans it takes around a 10db increase for something to sound twice as loud.

3dB = twice the power
6dB = twice the amplitude
~10dB = twice the perceived volume

D.P. · 15 Aug 2017 at 16:05

Ayahuasca said:
The difference on graphs I've seen is within 2 decibels, they are not 3-4 times the noise of a 1080FE.

The reviews I saw were more like 7-12 db. (Edit, the 12db was with an AIB 1080, forget the review).

Freddie1980 · 15 Aug 2017 at 16:26

Diagro said:
I may end up buying a second hand 1080 or TI.

Sold my twin 290x's for this -.-

If don't mind me asking but what were you expecting from Vega? From very early on AMD showed Vega was a card built to compete against the GTX1080 and that's what they have delivered.

Unknown123 · 15 Aug 2017 at 16:27

Are the custom cooler Vega cards going to be ridiculously overpriced as well, or will they be affordable? Or will they at least have a five minute window where they're affordable?

FoxEye · 15 Aug 2017 at 16:30

alec said:
Difference of 3 dB equals double sound power (whatever that is). Difference of 6 dB is double sound amplitude (volume)

Interesting. I always thought it was 3db too.

https://recording.org/threads/twice-as-loud-6db-or-10db.24495/

Turns out the "established" consensus among the scientific community is 10db for a doubling of "perceived loudness". This can vary from person to person.

And if you double your distance from the source of the noise the loudness drops 6db (but that's less than losing half the perceived loudness).

The more you know...

Ayahuasca · 15 Aug 2017 at 16:31

D.P. said:
The reviews I saw were more like 7-12 db. (Edit, the 12db was with an AIB 1080, forget the review).

I've checked again as I must have been looking at the 1080ti FE, compared to the 1080 FE it's a 3-7db difference which will definitely be noticeable but not 3-4 times the noise to your ear, not even 2x unless you're on open bench on your desk with the thing right next to you.

five8five · 15 Aug 2017 at 16:35

Freddie1980 said:
If don't mind me asking but what were you expecting from Vega? From very early on AMD showed Vega was a card built to compete against the GTX1080 and that's what they have delivered.

True, but I don't think people could believe it would only be a 1080 competitor due to the long development time and the demos and marketing that seemed to give the impression it was going to be a 4K card.

Even after the FE release there was some hope (some of it misguided - 25-30% increase!) that there was a lot of untapped performance but unfortunately after a six weeks of driver development it's still a "1080" card.

ubersonic · 15 Aug 2017 at 16:36

Erik13 said:
This is actually smart move. They know that prices will go up like crazy cause of miners and retailers will get all the benefits.

The V64 is pretty terrible for mining, this high demand is all on gamers (seems FreeSync is more popular than we thought) and workstation users (half the price of the Titan XP and trades professional performance)

PeegeeTips · 15 Aug 2017 at 16:44

TNA said:
Be ready to pick up a Vega 56 at launch in 2 weeks time. Should be able to grab it for under £400, hopefully £350.

Let me see:

Vega 56 = 90% of the performance, for 80% of the price, and only 70% of the power, vis-a-vis the Vega 64.

If Vega 64 lasted about 45 minutes at £449, I predict we'll have about 15 minutes to try and slam an order into overclockers for a Vega 56 at £350!

humbug · 15 Aug 2017 at 16:48

Like the Fury-X and probably for the same reason Vega is NOT a good mining card, the performance is good, not great, while the power consumption is bad.

If people are buying these for mining they haven't done their research.

They get about 34M/Hs at 350 watts

Compare that to a GTX 1070 which gets about 30M/Hs at 180 watts

Or the coin diggers favourite, the RX 480 which nets you about 30M/Hs at 140 Watts.

PeegeeTips · 15 Aug 2017 at 16:50

Freddie1980 said:
If don't mind me asking but what were you expecting from Vega? From very early on AMD showed Vega was a card built to compete against the GTX1080 and that's what they have delivered.

Apparently, £449. Nothing excessive, or outrageous.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31063032

Ayahuasca · 15 Aug 2017 at 16:50

ubersonic said:
The V64 is pretty terrible for mining, this high demand is all on gamers (seems FreeSync is more popular than we thought) and workstation users (half the price of the Titan XP and trades professional performance)

There was a thread on reddit with some questionable evidence a lot of miners had bought in and will now be returning them, also many scalpers.

I can't see how freesync and excellent compute performance for the price made this the best VGA launch for years according to Gibbo.

I guess time will tell in the coming months as things like the steam survey should give us a good guestimate of how many are being used for gaming.