VM 20 > 30 meg upgrade

Khaaan! said:
There's no confirmation on how the WAN<>LAN throughput handles heavy loads, with the speeds of the connection and then the Gigabit ports paired to the box as well as Wireless-N I can't imagine a bundled router handling a heavy usage household and being completely stable. I went through several Gigabit wireless routers before finding "the one" (WNDR3700) which was always stable all the time based on the usage it has to handle in my household, for example.

I also can't imagine VM testing it for heavy usage either, only basic, the fact that they have not put in an option to use it as a modem only amplifies this thought.

Some transfer load tests would be nice!
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I doubt VM would have not benchmarked the firewall performance. It would rather stupid of them to have not tested it at 30,50 & 100Mbps speeds. Cheap routers cashed in on slow WAN links of ISPs, knowing not many people would ever be able to saturate the chips with 500Kbps connections.

I believe it'll be adequate for most users and I bet even "your" load isn't anywhere near what you estimate it to be.
 
even if my bill had of gone up a little i would have been ok.

The fup has changed as well. Much more generous.

I still think 30mb down and 3mb is more than anyone could need. I asked the sales man why anyone would need 100mb
 
Gavin said:
even if my bill had of gone up a little i would have been ok.

The fup has changed as well. Much more generous.

I still think 30mb down and 3mb is more than anyone could need. I asked the sales man why anyone would need 100mb
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It's not needed atm, mainly because Upload speeds haven't caught up. Once we have 100Mb uploads online backups will be far more common, and you'll need the 100Mb downloads to go with that.
Tech is always moving on, and our expectations along with it. There are many examples since the beginning of the information age. A few years ago when we were on 512Kb 8Mb seemed like far more than we'd ever need.

With many forward-thinking countries having decent FTTH in place, developers in those countries will find ways to take advantage of the infrastructure. Then we'll all want to be able to do what they are doing, only it'll take us years to catch up.
It's inevitable that the country will want universal FTTH, and waiting doesn't do us any favours, It's not going to get any cheaper or more convenient to dig up the roads.
 
Having mine done next Wednesday :)

As for 50/100mbit.. it depends how many users as well. A family using multiple computers and laptops would find it useful ;)
 
Gavin said:
even if my bill had of gone up a little i would have been ok.

The fup has changed as well. Much more generous.

I still think 30mb down and 3mb is more than anyone could need. I asked the sales man why anyone would need 100mb
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HD video streaming is the future. Imagine an online Blockbuster from where you can download full definition Blu-ray movies with DTS-HD Master Audio.
That's why fast broadband is useful, and as resolutions increase the bandwidth demands will also.

Plus as people say, a five person family all wanting different things at the same time in the evening will easily make use of 100Mb.
 
ecksmen said:
I doubt VM would have not benchmarked the firewall performance. It would rather stupid of them to have not tested it at 30,50 & 100Mbps speeds. Cheap routers cashed in on slow WAN links of ISPs, knowing not many people would ever be able to saturate the chips with 500Kbps connections.

I believe it'll be adequate for most users and I bet even "your" load isn't anywhere near what you estimate it to be.
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The fact that the only router I have had so far that doesn't end up needing a reboot weekly at least is the WNDR3700 shows the load on the router(s) was quite high for what it/they could handle before. I have a Gigabit network and many Wireless N devices and stream HD content over the network daily as well as have a central backup store for the family to transfer their documents and data to.

That and my own usage on newsgroups after 9PM and before 10am.

The routers I had before the WNDR certainly weren't what you'd call cheap either but the Netgear's spec certainly allows it to be completely stable compared to the others I had bought and returned/rehomed.
 
Great news. My contract ends with O2 just about the same time that here in Derby we get the new upload speeds.

Just need to decide if 30/3 or 50/5 is they way to go. I'd prefer the cheapest option but Internet use in our house is on the heavier side.
 
quick question, just got sent through another Virgin Media Super Hub !

Do you know if I can sell it on ebay ? I suppose I can just use it as a spare gigabit switch or something ?
 
Snow-Munki said:
quick question, just got sent through another Virgin Media Super Hub !

Do you know if I can sell it on ebay ? I suppose I can just use it as a spare gigabit switch or something ?
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Its their equipment so not yours to sell. Either keep it as a spare/use it or return it.
 
This is a copy of the letter I recieved today (Yes I did write it out myself)

At Virgin Media, we know just how important your broadband connection is to you. You use it for keeping in touch, doing your shopping and everything in between.

That's why we're writing to let you know that we're just about to launch our brand new up to 30Mb broadband speed. The good news is that we're offering it to you as a valued up to 20Mb customer first.

Not only will we upgrade you but we'll also send you our new Super Hub - a fast modem and wireless router, all in one, the the latest encryption technology to keep you safe online, and at no extra cost.

To find out more, just give our team a call on 0800 408 9349 and they'll be happy to help.
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Now to me, that reads like they are going to upgrade me and send the Super Hub for free :confused:
 
markk said:
This is a copy of the letter I recieved today (Yes I did write it out myself)



Now to me, that reads like they are going to upgrade me and send the Super Hub for free :confused:
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The Super Hub is free anyway, the £30 you pay is for an activation fee.

I upgraded last night, should be getting the hub on Tuesday next week
 
According to the VM support forum, people who have upgraded to 30Mb have lost the loyalty bonus that they have had which has increased how much they have to pay for their package. So it may be a 1 off fee to upgrade but if you lose the loyalty bonus in the process it could end up costing much more in the long run if you are currently on a great deal.
 
I have a £10 loyalty bonus and if they think I'm willing to lose it to go from 20-30mb they can think again. I'd rather stay where I am and save the £10!
 
Dist said:
According to the VM support forum, people who have upgraded to 30Mb have lost the loyalty bonus that they have had which has increased how much they have to pay for their package. So it may be a 1 off fee to upgrade but if you lose the loyalty bonus in the process it could end up costing much more in the long run if you are currently on a great deal.
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In the small print it does say something about customers being reverted to the standard prices for the services they are taking.

At the very bottom of this page:

http://shop.virginmedia.com/existing-customers/customer-offers/upgrade-to-faster-broadband.html

"Customers on non-standard pricing will need to move to standard pricing to receive these offers."
 
Dist said:
According to the VM support forum, people who have upgraded to 30Mb have lost the loyalty bonus that they have had which has increased how much they have to pay for their package. So it may be a 1 off fee to upgrade but if you lose the loyalty bonus in the process it could end up costing much more in the long run if you are currently on a great deal.
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Strange the guy on the phone told me my monthly bills have gone down by £1.50. So I expect any problems were admin errors which can usually be solved by a single phone call.
 
Khaaan! said:
What is the loyalty bonus thing?
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Basically if you have more than one service and have been with them for a while you get a discounted price, although I don't think it is automatic. That being said if you phone up and go through retentions, haggle well you can get even better deals.
 
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