Caporegime
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Weekend Football; 31st -1st - *SPOiLERS*
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Luck, you need to put the ball over the line, great defending at a team that was is on fire.
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If we lose we'll still be 7 points better off than last season. Nothing fail about that. Fail would be finishing with less points than last season or having the home support of Wigan
If we lose we'll still be 7 points better off than last season. Nothing fail about that. Fail would be finishing with less points than last season or having the home support of Wigan
If we lose we'll still be 7 points better off than last season. Nothing fail about that. Fail would be finishing with less points than last season or having the home support of Wigan
I would rather have the home support of a town of 90,000 than a city of 816,216, you have the power and prestige but year after year you bottle it. Every true Liverpool fan must...no, should be fuming that they have thrown away a great record and bottled it against teams like Stoke x2 , Fulham and that team with poor home support aka Wigan and the 4 other draws.
I am all for teams going for the league but Manchester United have been outstanding this season and deserve it so far, Chelsea and Arsenal have been awful for the gates and money they can command. Least the premiership will staying in the North West once again.
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I have to say that, with Man U they bought a striker who was considered better, neither Rooney nor Tevez were ever once for a second concidered reliable as a out and out striker last year, and neither play that role. THey lacked one all year and were clearly looking for a frontman. He was dropped because someone came in who offered them something different. Would also say Tevez was never close to being their best player.
While Keane, is EASILY better than the strikers in the rest of the squad, he was brought in and concidered better than those he was brought in to play infront of. But was then dropped without really getting a decent chance, and mostly played out of position. Its really the opposite situation, it would be as if Ngog had been playing last year, wasn't that good, Keane was brought in and Ngog was dropped and barely played again. That would be the equivilent situation for liverpool which it clearly isn't.
I think also that Tevez played early season didn't he, because Berba wasn't there yet, and he was utterly terrible, while Keane and Berba started off fairly well scoring in a dismal side that couldn't defend to save their lives.
On another note, has anyone seen the injury news on Eboue/Diaby? Apparently its in Arsene's interview on arsenal tv but I don't think I can face listenin to him prattle on about why he thought he was right to sub Bendtner, bring on Song in the last minutes to help win the game and why he won't drop Ade just to find out. The replay of the Diaby tackle looks rather like he could have snapped the ankle.
The difference is Ferguson may be dropping Tevez, but tevez is being dropped while getting the most out of the player. Keane is being dropped and Rafa hasn't a clue how to get the best out of him.
Keane is quality, yet Rafa hasn't a clue what to do with him.
Keane will go back to Spurs and bang the goals in, Liverpool fans will say he choked at a bigger club totally disregarding the choking manager.
Ferguson would get more out of Gerrard, Keane and torres in the same team than rafa is capable of.
Oh dear, do I need to justify this with an answer?
Firstly, Ferguson has never publicly slagged off Tevez, nor has he simply removed him from a squad and opted for poor players in his place.
Also, Tevez is not owned by Man Utd, but on loan, so the circumstances are simply better.
If anyone IS fit to write a book on maintaining morale in a team it's Ferguson, that goes without saying, where as time and time again Benitez does the opposite such as frustrating Gerrard when he first game by making him play out of position, another noteable one was trying to get rid of Alonso and attempting to force him out the club for a much inferior player and then of course there is Keane.
Those are 3 instances immediately off the top of my head.
Tevez was our best player at the start of the season, the pre-season tour and the end of last season.
The rest has no relevance to what i asked. Benitez has never slagged off Keane. He's left him out of the side a few times and left him out of the squad for a FA cup game and tbh had good reason to based on his performances.
Benitez isn't the first manager to drop a player but for some reason when you drop a British (yes i know Keane's from ROI) player it gets blown totally out of proportion. Like i said, Tevez was dropped without any reason (you've spent enought time moaning about that yourself) yet we don't get half the hysteria about Fergie ruining Tevez (despite him not playing anywhere near as well as he was last season).
A bitter and a drunken fool don't count thoughwell i'm glad we had some non united fans answer that one for himnot everything has to be brought round to a comparison with what United have done you know
The only reason i mentioned Tevez was because it's a perfect example.
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Like who?
The rest has no relevance to what i asked. Benitez has never slagged off Keane. He's left him out of the side a few times and left him out of the squad for a FA cup game and tbh had good reason to based on his performances.
Benitez isn't the first manager to drop a player but for some reason when you drop a British (yes i know Keane's from ROI) player it gets blown totally out of proportion. Like i said, Tevez was dropped without any reason (you've spent enought time moaning about that yourself) yet we don't get half the hysteria about Fergie ruining Tevez (despite him not playing anywhere near as well as he was last season).
A bitter and a drunken fool don't count though
The only reason i mentioned Tevez was because it's a perfect example.
tevez is a perfect example of a player being signed and within half a season the manager has barely played him, dropped him from the first team squad and made it pretty obvious he doesn't fancy him much? i think you're reaching to be honest.
I'm trying to think of a big name player who that's happened to in recent years.tevez is a perfect example of a player being signed and within half a season the manager has barely played him, dropped him from the first team squad and made it pretty obvious he doesn't fancy him much? i think you're reaching to be honest.
The time a player's been at the club has no relevance to my point. Benitez is being criticised for dropping a player when he's been playing poorly and said to be ruining him. Why's Keane so special that he can't be dropped? In the view of many Utd fans Tevez was your best striker last season and your best player at the start of this season, he was then dropped and everybody then said that he's playing ****. Did Fergie ruin him?
It's also funny how a lot of Mancs were calling for Berbatov to be dropped a few weeks back so you'd have thought they would have supported what Benitez has done to Keane.
As for another player to fit your scenario. Sheva at Chelsea. JM ruined him i'd imagine?
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keana hasn't been dropped, he's barely been 'up'
The way Tevez has been treated is actually a complete counterpoint to how Benitez has treated Keane. Rightly or wrongly made a new signing and in order to give Berbatov a chance to integrate with the team, he limited the chances of an established first teamer thus allowing Berbatov to find his feet sticking with him even when things weren't working out for him. Now over the course of the season Tevez is being reintroduced to first team action and everyone has a role to play. Ferguson has a pretty good history when it comes to giving players a decent chance to establish themselves in the squad.
and your point was just looking for any response to nokkonwud having a joke at the expense of Benitez
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Keane started most of our games up untill the end of November. Why should Rafa persist with him if he's not playing well?
Had this been a foreign player nobody would care. It's as simple as that.
lol what a load of rubbish. So Keane's dropped but Tevez is being left out to give Berbatov a chance to intergrate
Like i said previously, Keane was only going to become a regular if he played extremely well. Torres and Gerrard were always the first choice front pairing. Keane had to take his chances (which he had plenty of because of injury) to secure his place, he didn't so he got dropped.
As i asked you above, why's Keane so special that he can't be dropped? Is he better than Gerrard or Torres?
Certainly is. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about
Keane's competing with Gerrard for the spot behind Torres and there's only 1 winner.
Certainly is. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about
Keane's competing with Gerrard for the spot behind Torres and there's only 1 winner.
Well, what the hell was the point in spending £20 million on him then. Especially as he is a player that will expect a first team spot week in week out.