Weekend Football Thread - 15/8 to 17/8 *spoilers*

BaZ87 said:
If Gomes doesn't come flying out of his goal, Johnson's taking a more controlled touch and is more than capable of keeping the ball in play and taking either a shot or cutting it back.

Gomes came flying out which made it a 50-50 ball, Johnson got there first and Gomes took him out. It's a penalty all day long.
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I don't understand why people blame the attackers in these situations, like I said in my novel.

When keepers stop making rash/stupid decisions like this, Refs will stop giving the fouls.
 
There was also:

Self Defence? You're having a laugh...

:D


And a new one for Disco Benny to the tune of Dontcha by the Pussycat Dolls:

Dontcha wish your leftback was B. A. E.? :D
 
Visionary said:
Just saw the highlights on Sky.

How the hell didn't Liverpool get a pen for the Voronin foul? :eek:
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I didn't see a Voronin foul. I saw him go down under a shoulder charge where he wasn't getting to the ball anyway.

I didn't see the game but I saw the two penalty shouts, both could have been given, but both were very weak penalty shouts. The Voronin one was the stronger case, but only because the 'handball' was nothing like.
 
Maybe Liverpool would have got the penalty shout if, for every single tackle, throw in, bad pass, shoulder to shoulder from the first whistle almost anytime anything happened the entire liverpool team all threw both arms up in the air looked at the ref and pleaded "give us the ball back, we didn't mean to lose it".

They just complained about every tiny little thing throughout, but realistically neither were penalties, the shoulder charge was close, it was a little OTT, but we see it hundreds of times a season, we see Caragher do that every game and get away with it.

I'm still in two minds, I think Reina should have been given a yellow at the very least, for that throw in incident where Reina chased the ball prevented the corner, Spurs tried to take it quickly but Reina ran off with the ball.

For any other freekick in the game if an opposing player picks up the ball and runs off with it as a player is trying to take it, they'd get carded.

Liverpool really were very bad throughout, and Spurs, well had there holes aswell, Modric bar the freekick, did nothing, Lennon was his usual appaling self and did nothing. Corluka's lack of pace caused him problems but Liverpool being so bad let him off the hook, Huddlestone's lack of pace is what let Johnson get by him so easily for the penalty run. Palacios though had a blinder, Keane was productive but shooting let him down, Defoe made the right runs constantly even if he didn't get much of the ball. Its about making the space for others and he didn't stop trying, Bassong still looks quality, Crouch didn't have much time on the pitch, but still managed to do nothing.

The upside is, at least that game wasn't half as boring as the Utd/Brum game, felt sorry for Larsson, he's genuinely a good play but the team were completely unwilling to support any of their attacks till the final 15 mins, he'd get the ball make a run and have no support and no one to pass to, might have been something for them if they actually got forwards.
 
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Gilly said:
I didn't see a Voronin foul. I saw him go down under a shoulder charge where he wasn't getting to the ball anyway.

I didn't see the game but I saw the two penalty shouts, both could have been given, but both were very weak penalty shouts. The Voronin one was the stronger case, but only because the 'handball' was nothing like.
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I can't remember it exactly because I only saw a short clip but Essou Ekoto(?) seemed to be running a diagonal line as opposed to Voronin running straight, surely they need to be side by side for a legitimate shoulder charge. The foul probably wouldn't have been given in the lower leagues but have been given in most PL games, and you have to be consistent even if it was soft.
 
Burned_Alive said:
Ekotto did just run diagonally into Voronin, didnt attempt to get the ball and just took him out. It should have been a penalty, but we didnt deserve to win anyway, so meh.
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I disagree. I see that week in, week out at all standards of football and I would never award a penalty for it. When I used to play, you wouldn't even get an appeal for it, it's a shoulder charge.
 
As above, if he'd been running more or less side by side with Voronin and come across, then fair enough. It was just a take out with no intention of playing the ball, it's a foul everywhere else, so it should've been a penalty.
 
I think the penalty was debatable; it was probably technically a foul, but when you start taking things like that out the game you make defending with your back to goal very very difficult. Next you'll be saying that shielding the ball out of play is a foul; after all, you're not attempting to play the ball there either.

As far as I'm concerned it's good solid defending - Assou-Ekkotto was just stronger than Voronin.

And as Burned Alive says, we didn't deserve it anyway.
 
rubbish.

Voronin should have used his strength to stay on his feet, the game is turning more and more into a fairys sport and its quite sad really.

Funny how its mainly the foreign players that have brought it to english football and now a few of the english players are starting to do it and its stupid.

A shoulder barge is, or used to be a valid part of the game the referee's blow for anything these days and it can ruin a good game.
 
Wayn0r said:
rubbish.

Voronin should have used his strength to stay on his feet, the game is turning more and more into a fairys sport and its quite sad really.

Funny how its mainly the foreign players that have brought it to english football and now a few of the english players are starting to do it and its stupid.

A shoulder barge is, or used to be a valid part of the game the referee's blow for anything these days and it can ruin a good game.
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To be fair it wasn't quite a shoulder barge, it was more of a shoulder charge, but you're right, Voronin was simply outmuscled. Had that been Rooney or Drogba going through he would have shrugged it off and lifted the ball over Gomes. As I say, it was probably technically a foul, but it's not a foul that I'd like to see given as a defender.
 
The way I see it is simple, if the defender is going for the ball and fighting shoulder to shoulder, then it's fair, the stronger man wins. When the defender makes NO attempt to go for the ball and just smashes into the player then it's a foul, every time. The ball is the most important thing. This isn't rugby after all!
 
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