Wegovy...

jpaul said:
yes have you looked at the price of gyms and the pool - if they were subsidised or the doctor could hand out vouchers (with proved attendance) then that might help,
even the people who go to my pool now only spend like 30minutes in the pool, my lane are usually in for the full maximum 50minutes now permitted, post covid brexit(!)
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Why should doctors subsidised or hand out vouchers for something people can go outside and do for free?

PureGym offers membership for about £20 a month, thats their most expensive subscription. Thats way cheaper than an TV subscription or a bag of fish and chips twice a week. If they can afford to waste money on those, they can afford a gym membership.

There is always an excuse for the fat and lazy.......thats why they are fat and lazy!
 
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Do people really know what these drugs are and what they do?

saxenda and wegovy are just appetite suppressors. you still have to eat healthy and exercise. my wife has been on saxenda for 6 months now and lost 2 stone. we buy them from boots every 5 weeks.
she has medical conditions that make it a lot harder to loose weight.

You dont just inject yourself with this stuff and go eat a mcdonalds and expect weight to fall off.

My only concern is once we finish with this we have to keep the weight off.
 
opstrat said:
My only concern is once we finish with this we have to keep the weight off.
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A lot of the talk around these drugs is that taking them will just be a life style drug that you go on for life, rather than making hard choices and lifestyle changes :(

I wish you luck with your wife, as you say there's more to health than just losing weight. I suspect in many cases, people will just continue with their trash diets, but not just eat as much as they used to.
 
to what degree is this all social media/influencer driven hype and profiteering -
which will now cost tax payer money/nhs, and those poor overweight folks will just revert to original weight after stopping intake as article suggests
Guess the influencers will take it for life with the income from their pyramid scheme - they're all right.
Oxycontin, smoking etc. type issue again




Today https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/miracle-weight-loss-jab-wegovy-launched-today-xcjhw6vbh
Wegovy, the “miracle” weight loss jab popular with celebrities, will have a “controlled and limited” launch in the UK today, its manufacturer has announced.

Novo Nordisk said the semaglutide injections would be available via specialist NHS weight loss services and some private doctors.

Wegovy acts as a slow-release version of an appetite-suppressing hormone. Participants in studies of the drug have lost up to 15 per cent of their weight on average. It has been shown to reduce the risk of heart attacks and strokes by a fifth and ministers hope it can play a significant role in reducing pressures on the health service.
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29Aug https://www.sciencenews.org/article/semaglutide-wegovy-ozempic-strokes-heart
But there are big questions raised by the company’s current trial that still need to be answered, Strain says. For example, how long do the cardiovascular benefits persist after people go off the drug? Weight loss, at least, doesn’t seem to endure. In one 2022 study, people regained two-thirds of the weight they had lost a year after stopping the medication. And how much of Wegovy’s cardiovascular benefits are due to slimming down versus other ways semaglutide may be tinkering with the body?

Strain suspects that weight is not the only factor. In his stroke study, his team noticed that stroke risk fell relatively quickly — before study participants lost a significant amount of weight. “That was the biggest surprise to us,” he says. “You start seeing the benefit within a few months after starting the drug.” He’s expecting to see something similar with the SELECT trial. But teasing out the different ways semaglutide affects cardiovascular health “is going to take a lot of unpacking,” he says.

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Acosta is hopeful that more insurance companies will consider covering anti-obesity drugs for weight loss. Currently, the list price for Wegovy is about $1,350 per month. “That’s huge,” Albert says. “How many people can afford that?”
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I think there's nothing wrong in it being an additional tool to combat obesity along with diet and exercise. Taking it without improved diet and exercise won't do much (probably), it'll still require effort. Yes it costs the NHS (and therefore us) money but so does rampant obesity.
 
A stupid American solution to an American problem - make no attempt to fix the root cause, just try to cure the symptoms with meds.

The stupid government has allowed the situation to get away from them, so now we're into the realm of helpless ideas and solutions.
 
Sinbad2000 said:
You think at the age of nearly 50 I haven't explored those options?
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people would hope so. But seems like you are nearly 50 and asking the NHS for drugs as a short cut then i guess no, no you have not.

For most people the issue is food education and a lot of self control issues. Also secret eating/Not realising they are eating as much as they are.

Getting fat does not happen over night, its a long process over months/years/decades. You can literally see it happen in the mirror. Yet it is easier to ignore it carry on eating

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Getting fit also does not happen over night this is also a long process over months and years, again it purely comes down to self control. Most people do not have the self control to stick to it for this long when they do not see any progress.

I wish the NHS would implement an actual FAT TAX, if you are over a certain body fat % then you pay for treatment, the fatter you get the more you pay.

Things like Diabetes that can be treated with weight loss, then i think they NHS should fund treatment for the patient for say 1 year and if they do not lose weight to help the condition/cure it then they should be charged for treatement after the first year.
 
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brightside229 said:
people would hope so. But seems like you are nearly 50 and asking the NHS for drugs as a short cut then i guess no, no you have not.

For most people the issue is food education and a lot of self control issues. Also secret eating/Not realising they are eating as much as they are.

Getting fat does not happen over night, its a long process over months/years/decades. You can literally see it happen in the mirror. Yet it is easier to ignore it carry on eating

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Getting fit also does not happen over night this is also a long process over months and years, again it purely comes down to self control. Most people do not have the self control to stick to it for this long when they do not see any progress.

I wish the NHS would implement an actual FAT TAX, if you are over a certain body fat % then you pay for treatment, the fatter you get the more you pay.

Things like Diabetes that can be treated with weight loss, then i think they NHS should fund treatment for the patient for say 1 year and if they do not lose weight to help the condition/cure it then they should be charged for treatement after the first year.
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Seeing as obesity and being over weight is more likely to occur in deprived areas, then charging poor people for being obese or over weight seems a rather ridiculous thing to suggest seeing as they are least able to pay
 
malachi said:
Why should doctors subsidised or hand out vouchers for something people can go outside and do for free?
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For the same reason society does a lot of things. Because ultimately they foot the bill. Doesn't matter why people are overweight, have diabetes etc, they have it and the NHS is on the hook for it. They have 2 choices. Try and pay a little now in the vague hope it will change someones life or pay 100x more in treatment for them. If even a few % of people change their ways as a result then its money well spent.
 
fez said:
For the same reason society does a lot of things. Because ultimately they foot the bill. Doesn't matter why people are overweight, have diabetes etc, they have it and the NHS is on the hook for it. They have 2 choices. Try and pay a little now in the vague hope it will change someones life or pay 100x more in treatment for them. If even a few % of people change their ways as a result then its money well spent.
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Yeah, this was the argument put forward for the HIV drug, ultimately the cost of the drug is chump change when compared to lifetime treatment cost of HAART therapy to keep someone HIV+ healthy.

For me, it's a matter of going outside and opening my eyes - I'm 41 and even in the last 15 years, the change to how we eat, the ingredients used in the food and how it's advertised have literally changed everything, the best the government can do is tax it a bit more and kick the can down the road, for the next government to deal with.

It reminded me of when I used to travel to the US all the time, there was an advert where some dude was at a work party eating cakes and biscuits etc, he's holding his stomach to signal that he's got indegestion. He necks some of these special indegestion pills - then carries on stuffing his face.
 
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