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What do you think of the 4070Ti?

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Well, I'll be the one you guys can laugh at, since I want to have nvenc for streaming, and upgrading from gtx 670 while not wanting to go second hand, this one seem to hit the mark for 1440p gaming and streaming simultaneously.
 
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I know that OCUK tend to add 50 quid extra on top of each card upon release but this is not really helping.
My understanding is that a great majority of those cards went to scalpers who think they can milk something out of it.
In 2 weeks' time, we will see plenty of B Stock on the OCUK website.
As Gibbo said a few days ago, we can expect some drops in prices between January and April. Maybe that's an opportunity.
But I think they should return to the original 5% inflated RPP. The dollar is going down and prices on OCUK are going up accordingly.
 
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Drake22 said:
Well, I'll be the one you guys can laugh at, since I want to have nvenc for streaming, and upgrading from gtx 670 while not wanting to go second hand, this one seem to hit the mark for 1440p gaming and streaming simultaneously.
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Not going to laugh at you buddy. We all have different reasons for the purchases we make. 4070ti is not a bad product just a bad price.

Not sure if anyone has tested it that well yet but the new 7900 AMD cards do have their own form of nvenc now , not sure if it works as well as the Nv one.

Shewie said:
**** offer on TUF was better than on Overclockers.
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Curiously were already seeing vendors dropping their prices on the high end cards over here in Aus. They coming in at around 1470-1999 AUD Which is ridiculous since the cheapest 4080s are just a couple of hundred more. I'd suspect that sales are going reeeeeealy badly atm.
 
Grim5 said:
As it should be. When analysing margins across various industries we find that businesses which make under 10% margin are operating in a highly competitive market - most of these are small businesses with fairly limited barriers to entry and new competitors can pop up rather quickly.

Over 10% means there is still decent competition but due to various reasons it's not as good as it could be, usually these businesses are expensive to start up and that limits competitors. This is probably where oc uk fits in

Over 20% means competition still exists but it is even more limited.

Over 30% tends to only be seen in pseudo oligopoly industries or monopolies. Margins are high because the barriers to entry are exceptionally high, often requiring billions to create a new competitor without government intervention. Many businesses in this category own patents to specific inventions or rights to certain resources or utilities that give them dominance


To be clear ^^ these numbers refer to overall business margins, not margins on a single product, obviously margins can vary wildly on a per product basis.
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I disagree on margins as a metric for cross industry comparisons. Return on capital metrics should be used instead. Roc is generally impacted by competitive pressure but you could also have a rare case of labor intensive operations which exclusively rely on highly skilled human capital, operating as a monopoly with low roic.

Joxeon said:
Not really since you can undervolt the 3080 to pull 250w without any performance loss.
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There are no reviews yet but uv could also be viable on the 4070 ti. I have seen 3 comments on reddit where people made the switch. Shouldn't there be a rationale which can explain this
 
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pc-guy said:
Yep this - RDNA 3 architecture gain is completely wiped out by the chiplet design issues ie the interconnect and crap driver

The majority of the gain is from the node shrink ie power efficiency.

RDNA 3 is DAO.
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Not sure RDNA is DOA, but it is definitely inefficient (in all senses) compared to the 4070ti. AMD could make it a fantastic product if they just dropped the price and tried to actually stoke some competition.

What was ridiculous were the performance claims made on release. 50% to 70% increase.... Erm?
 
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Dalandius said:
The fact they are still in stock tell me a whole lot.
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It tells you that the pricing is somewhere between overpriced and perfect. You have no idea where in that scale it sits based on there being stock on shelves, because you have no idea about the volumes sold, the stock remaining and the incoming stock levels. So it doesn't tell you a whole lot other than the product IS NOT underpriced. I think it is obvious that the 4070ti isn't underpriced, so you actually learnt nothing.

What I'm getting at is selling all your stock in minutes means you have greatly underpriced a product, demand outstripped supply. That's 101 of bad business decisions, particularly so in a financial crisis.

It sucks for the consumer that we don't get parts at "cost", whatever that even means, but that is the way the free market works.
 
Sitting on a 2070S, which was intended as a stop-gap until the 30 series, the 4070ti ticks the performance boxes for me but the price is way too high.
 
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0h_no_not_again said:
It tells you that the pricing is somewhere between overpriced and perfect. You have no idea where in that scale it sits based on there being stock on shelves, because you have no idea about the volumes sold, the stock remaining and the incoming stock levels. So it doesn't tell you a whole lot other than the product IS NOT underpriced. I think it is obvious that the 4070ti isn't underpriced, so you actually learnt nothing.

What I'm getting at is selling all your stock in minutes means you have greatly underpriced a product, demand outstripped supply. That's 101 of bad business decisions, particularly so in a financial crisis.

It sucks for the consumer that we don't get parts at "cost", whatever that even means, but that is the way the free market works.
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If you think the Execs at AMD and Nvidia aren't having daily meetings and pulling their hair out at this point you are quite frankly deluded. I've been buying graphics cards for 25 years, what's happening at this moment is unprecedented.
 
What we're seeing here in Aus is any card that is at the cheapest price ($1470 ish or £835) are selling out. I would assume this is the small percentage of buyers for whom the price was just in their spend threshold. There are a host of other cards coming in at $1700—$1999 (£965-£1135) that I bet will sit there for eternity.

I've seen several sellers drop those $1999 cards by $160 same day. I've NEVER seen that before. These are DOA at this price.
 
Drake22 said:
Well, I'll be the one you guys can laugh at, since I want to have nvenc for streaming, and upgrading from gtx 670 while not wanting to go second hand, this one seem to hit the mark for 1440p gaming and streaming simultaneously.
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Those who are long overdue an upgrade are not the targets of negative comments, it's those who already have a high end card who must have a new one due to FOMO because they believe the crap that NVidia says about performance, forcing prices to stay at stupid levels.

It's those people who are getting ridiculed.
 
heatonpkmassive said:
Those who are long overdue an upgrade are not the targets of negative comments, it's those who already have a high end card who must have a new one due to FOMO because they believe the crap that NVidia says about performance, forcing prices to stay at stupid levels.

It's those people who are getting ridiculed.
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What crap is that? Like 3X the performance on a 3080?

Nvidia know their audience.
 
humbug said:
I'll post it again....

My recent purchases.

GTX 970: £270
GTX 1070: £350
RTX 2070 Super: £480
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RTX 4070Ti: £900....... and i'm out!
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I sold my 3090 for 500 pounds, it's faster than the 4070ti at nearly half price. People shouldn't be buying new 4070ti's they should go buy second hand 3080/3080ti/3090 instead and pocket the money
 
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Only 23 benches on UserBenchmark, but it is putting the 4070ti at around 50% faster than the 3070ti and double the speed of the 3060ti (which is interesting, as the cheapest 4070ti is almost exactly double the cost of a 3060ti FE)
 
Grim5 said:
I sold my 3090 for 500 pounds, it's faster than the 4070ti at nearly half price. People shouldn't be buying new 4070ti's they should go buy second hand 3080/3080ti/3090 instead and pocket the money
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Used is looking increasingly tempting....
 
Cooper said:
Im pretty sure people aren't buying these out of any enthusiasm for the product whatsoever but rather out of sheer frustration and the total lack of any alternative or things getting any better on a price/performance for this generation.

I mean, If the 4070 is this bad, just how gimped and overpriced are the (supposedly) mainstream 4060s going to be at £500.
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Lest we forget this 4070ti is actually the aborted 4080 12GB with some new boxes and stickers to re-label it a 4070ti.

The real, original, even more gimped 4070 has yet to appear and then, only after that card we get to see the crippled 4060, in all its splendour.
 
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