What do you think of the 4070Ti?

[Besty]

The 7900XT performs closer to Nvidias 70 class which sit in the 450-550 bracket

Let's break that down a little bit and, I just want to point out that I was not making a case for 20GB Vram, I was just pointing out that due to the way the 7900XT card is engineered, with its bus speed width, that you are getting more performance for your money because there is less of a bus speed limitation, there will be no driver update that can fix the 4070ti's performance at 4k or, VR or, Ultrawide resolutions. It is permanently crippled because of the bus speed, not the Vram size.

Bus width is good but it costs extra money to engineer wide bus' into a GPU, that's why Nvidia has not given the 4070ti the bus it needs.

It's not a great game but the Callisto Protocol is one of the first AAA Unreal Engine 5 games and as such, represents a line in the sand of how many UE5 games are going to run over the next 7 years.



Someone said above that the 7900XT is an engineering failure but if Callisto Protocol (and Red Dead Redemption 2 under Vulkan) are signs of things to come and you want to game at 4k/Ultrawide/VR, the 4070ti just runs out of bus speed.



The actual performance difference between the 4070t and the 7900XT at 4k/ultrawide/VR is 'probably' about 20% in favour of the 7900XT, no matter what Nvidia do with the 4070ti drivers or, how much certain devs. cripple their engines.

 

[Trickle]

At the end of the day you can only judge it against what else you can buy just now on the market. Is there anything else for the £800 right now in 2023 which offers better value/performance/features for the money?

Its all down to how much you value power efficiency plus ray tracing, and not pure 4K raster. The forum post poll from a couple of months back had these two as the lowest priority for participants. Raster and memory size topping.

 

[Cooper]

and you want to game at 4k/Ultrawide/VR, the 4070ti just runs out of bus speed.

Nvidia has no desire whatsoever to let you play at 4K on a card costing a measly $800 in 2023...You want to do 4K? then you pay them the $1K+ big bucks, 'cus in Jensens world of GPUs, $800 is nothing, right?

In 2023, 1440p is for losers, 4K is for winners.

Jensen got no time for losers!

 

[SpellowHouse]

Nvidia has no desire whatsoever to let you play at 4K on a card costing a measly $800 in 2023...You want to do 4K? then you pay them the $1K+ big bucks, 'cus in Jensens world of GPUs, $800 is nothing, right?

In 2023, 1440p is for losers, 4K is for winners.

Jensen got no time for losers!

It's not his fault. The price of leather jackets went up.

 

[eddyr]

And this is how nVidia has got people paying £1000 for a x60 class GPU...

Yep and its how they will get the same people paying £1100 for a x50 class GPU in 3 years time. But they will slap a Ti on the end of it, so not to worry that actually makes it all good.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

At the end of the day you can only judge it against what else you can buy just now on the market.

No you don't, that is the brainwashing Nvidia narrative right there. They are controlling the market and forcing you into making unpalatable decisions if you only judge against what is available... its controlled, manipulated, marketed, pushed, up-sold, branded, constrained to promote margin.

You can simply opt out of the current market or look at the 2nd hand market if you want to for any period of time you choose.. or pay the price in order to get what you want but in the full knowledge you're feeding the price inflation beast which you may or may not care about.

 

[silvagti]

No you don't, that is the brainwashing Nvidia narrative right there. They are controlling the market and forcing you into making unpalatable decisions if you only judge against what is available... its controlled, manipulated, marketed, pushed, up-sold, branded, constrained to promote margin.

If the market is being manipulated then AMD are just as guilty since they’re unable to offer a better cheaper card for the money! It may well be manipulated since between those two companies they have an effective duopoly.

At the end of the day you can only buy, or choose not to buy, what’s on sale! I’m choosing not to buy anything at the moment since I don’t want to play anything right now that I can’t get on console.

But if you need a new video card then I don’t think it’s helpful or fair telling anyone who does buy a new GPU that they’ve been “brainwashed by Nvidia “ for paying the current market price!

 

[humbug]

Let's break that down a little bit and, I just want to point out that I was not making a case for 20GB Vram, I was just pointing out that due to the way the 7900XT card is engineered, with its bus speed width, that you are getting more performance for your money because there is less of a bus speed limitation, there will be no driver update that can fix the 4070ti's performance at 4k or, VR or, Ultrawide resolutions. It is permanently crippled because of the bus speed, not the Vram size.

Bus width is good but it costs extra money to engineer wide bus' into a GPU, that's why Nvidia has not given the 4070ti the bus it needs.

It's not a great game but the Callisto Protocol is one of the first AAA Unreal Engine 5 games and as such, represents a line in the sand of how many UE5 games are going to run over the next 7 years.



Someone said above that the 7900XT is an engineering failure but if Callisto Protocol (and Red Dead Redemption 2 under Vulkan) are signs of things to come and you want to game at 4k/Ultrawide/VR, the 4070ti just runs out of bus speed.



The actual performance difference between the 4070t and the 7900XT at 4k/ultrawide/VR is 'probably' about 20% in favour of the 7900XT, no matter what Nvidia do with the 4070ti drivers or, how much certain devs. cripple their engines.

Unreal Engine 5 has a thing called Ninite, it replaces traditional asset distance LOD with its own proprietary polygon reformatting, what it means is assets such as rocks and foliage are in an almost constant state of streaming, high bandwidth memory helps a lot with that.

 

[Purgatory]

But if you need a new video card then I don’t think it’s helpful or fair telling anyone who does buy a new GPU that they’ve been “brainwashed by Nvidia “ for paying the current market price!

No one is saying that, this has been the confusion on these threads for many weeks now.

Anyone without a gpu or has a broken one needs to buy what is available and at the price and performance they need.

What most of us on here are saying is don't update if you have a working gpu and system that's doing what you need for now, basically don't fall for all the hype and start getting itchy fingers to pull the trigger on one.

The magic word is "NEED" if you "NEED" well sadly you need to suck it up and pay the going rates as we all had to at some point and as you know last gens mess and how many of us got stung too.

No one can and should be telling anyone what to do with their hard earned money, but people can recommend a good solution depending on your needs and requirements, people without any hardware means buying new or used and building a system that does what they need.

People with decent systems should hold out and not get involved in this generation as the scalpers are now the gpu,motherboard,cpu,etc makers not the well known issues we all faced in last generation of hardware. The main problem is the companies involved with making this stuff and retailers in some cases still taking advantage too. It needs to stop and only sending them a message we will not pay will fix this issue hopefully.

 

[humbug]

Its also what people can afford, someone who could afford £500 for a luxury toy such as a GPU one year cannot necessarily afford £900 for a replacement toy in another.

 

[humbug]

I just looked on the 'Rainforest US' best sellers listing for GPU's.

1, RTX 3060
2, RTX 3060Ti
3, RTX 3060
4, RTX 3060Ti
5, RX 6700XT
6, RX 580
7, RTX 4090
8, RTX 2060
9, RTX 2060
10, RTX 3060

The highest ranking Ada, other than the 4090 is the Zotac Gaming RTX 4080 at No: 74, the first RDA3 GPU is the XFX Merc RX 7900XT at No: 49

The 4070Ti is not in the top 100.

 

[Purgatory]

I just looked on the 'Rainforest US' best sellers listing for GPU's.

1, RTX 3060
2, RTX 3060Ti
3, RTX 3060
4, RTX 3060Ti
5, RX 6700XT
6, RX 580
7, RTX 4090
8, RTX 2060
9, RTX 2060
10, RTX 3060

The highest ranking Ada, other than the 4090 is the Zotac Gaming RTX 4080 at No: 74, the first RDA3 GPU is the XFX Merc RX 7900XT at No: 49

The 4070Ti is not in the top 100.

Not surprised at all.

I still think the 3060ti was best 30 series card then the 3080 10GB for price and performance of course at MSRP FE prices.

 

[Cooper]

1, RTX 3060
2, RTX 3060Ti
3, RTX 3060
4, RTX 3060Ti
5, RX 6700XT

Paying $500 for any of those is just as bad as paying $800 for a 4070Ti...IMO.

 

[humbug]

Not surprised at all.

I still think the 3060ti was best 30 series card then the 3080 10GB for price and performance of course at MSRP FE prices.

Agreed, IMO for the money the RX 6700XT is better.

Paying $500 for any of those is just as bad as paying $800 for a 4070Ti...IMO.

The Zotac Gaming RTX 3060Ti is exactly $500

But the XFX MERC RX 6700XT is $380, most are around $400 or less.

 

[brostradamus]

Let's break that down a little bit and, I just want to point out that I was not making a case for 20GB Vram, I was just pointing out that due to the way the 7900XT card is engineered, with its bus speed width, that you are getting more performance for your money because there is less of a bus speed limitation, there will be no driver update that can fix the 4070ti's performance at 4k or, VR or, Ultrawide resolutions. It is permanently crippled because of the bus speed, not the Vram size.

Bus width is good but it costs extra money to engineer wide bus' into a GPU, that's why Nvidia has not given the 4070ti the bus it needs.

It's not a great game but the Callisto Protocol is one of the first AAA Unreal Engine 5 games and as such, represents a line in the sand of how many UE5 games are going to run over the next 7 years.



Someone said above that the 7900XT is an engineering failure but if Callisto Protocol (and Red Dead Redemption 2 under Vulkan) are signs of things to come and you want to game at 4k/Ultrawide/VR, the 4070ti just runs out of bus speed.



The actual performance difference between the 4070t and the 7900XT at 4k/ultrawide/VR is 'probably' about 20% in favour of the 7900XT, no matter what Nvidia do with the 4070ti drivers or, how much certain devs. cripple their engines.

Rdr 2 is not a great showcase for vulkan it's got to be something like doom eternal. The first benchmark uses fsr2, the picture would turn on its head if at all a dlss3 mode becomes available. And the 4070 ti is 10% ahead in speed way.. which is currently the defacto standard for future readiness (but it's 2k). Ofc you talk abt Nvidia crippling competitors and cherry picking results but i see the same here

Edit: and yeah I forgot abt the customary highlight on power efficiency, the 4070 ti is a fine piece of engineering if not for the price

 

[Cooper]

But the XFX MERC RX 6700XT is $380, most are around $400 or less.

Still too much for now basically EOL products.

You should be able to buy a 3060Ti for no more than $350 by now.

 

[humbug]

the picture would turn on its head if at all a dlss3 mode becomes available.

Agreed.....

 

[humbug]

Still too much for now basically EOL products.

You should be able to buy a 3060Ti for no more than $350 by now.

Yeah, But Nvidia....

 

[RavenXXX2]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1611500515682291712

 

[Nexus18]

Agreed.....

Case in point of people who don't understand the tech. and refuse to learn because "nvidia bad!"