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Newest release has nothing to do with what i'm on about. Why the interest in that? we know they are new cards.
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Screenshot taken just now...
I remember in previous years by the launch of a new series you had to move really fast to get the older models. They would be drastically reduced and gone within the week, to make way for the new ones.
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How else do they assign a rank to them?
Thought there were none in the top 100 best sellers either....
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You can cherry pick a couple of titles where the 7900XT does but better but on average for todays games its just 8% faster than the 4070ti while the 6800 was 7% faster than a 3070ti and no one thought that was a £900 card.Let's break that down a little bit and, I just want to point out that I was not making a case for 20GB Vram, I was just pointing out that due to the way the 7900XT card is engineered, with its bus speed width, that you are getting more performance for your money because there is less of a bus speed limitation, there will be no driver update that can fix the 4070ti's performance at 4k or, VR or, Ultrawide resolutions. It is permanently crippled because of the bus speed, not the Vram size.
Bus width is good but it costs extra money to engineer wide bus' into a GPU, that's why Nvidia has not given the 4070ti the bus it needs.
It's not a great game but the Callisto Protocol is one of the first AAA Unreal Engine 5 games and as such, represents a line in the sand of how many UE5 games are going to run over the next 7 years.
Someone said above that the 7900XT is an engineering failure but if Callisto Protocol (and Red Dead Redemption 2 under Vulkan) are signs of things to come and you want to game at 4k/Ultrawide/VR, the 4070ti just runs out of bus speed.
The actual performance difference between the 4070t and the 7900XT at 4k/ultrawide/VR is 'probably' about 20% in favour of the 7900XT, no matter what Nvidia do with the 4070ti drivers or, how much certain devs. cripple their engines.
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Even the XTX isn't a £900 card since AMD said themselves its only an 80 competitor on performance and generally 80 series performing cards have cost in the region of £600-700 including AMDs previous 80 series competitor card which had a uk msrp of around £600.
I did not cherry pick the 4k titles for the results but its true that, you can engineer a piece of hardware to do X performance but a POS game engine, like Warhammer 3, that's engine was written over a decade ago and still uses DX11, will not be a good barometer of how good the hardware is at an engineering level.
If people want to make purchasing decisions on how their favourite game plays and nothing else because that's all they play, then that's a sensible thing to do. If all you are going to do is play Warhammer 3 in 4k and you don't care about losing a few quid down the road then yeah, buying a 4070ti makes sense.
You probably won't be able to see the difference in a blind test between a 4070ti, 4080, 7900XT reference card designs in Warhammer 3, really, the only card that stands out at 4k in this game is the 4090 with the 7900XTX AIB's still way behind. I assume because the 4090 is the only card that has the pure, single-threaded DX11 GPU horsepower to give the game engine what it wants.
Does that also make a 4080 an unworthy purchase for WH3 at 4k over a 4070ti? It probably does.
It's games like WH3 that are skewing the average results, for every WH3 there is a developer that's using a heavily updated game engine that works quite well, see also the heavy update the Call Of Duty series has had, and on the flip side, how crippled the Witcher 3 update is and Cyberpunk continues to be.
Do we accuse developers of intentionally crippling titles to skew the gaming average basket of scores that Gamers Nexus and others use in Nvidias favour for money? I can't do that myself but I am sure others can construct an argument that they can, have done historically and still do.
Regarding the 900 sheets question, I have answered that I think, reasonably for the 7900XT, it's not worth 900 but, its not far off maybe 100-150 quid less in terms of the hardware BOM.
In terms of what's changed since the 3070ti and the 6800, there was already a big gap between the 3070ti reference and the 6800XT reference at the hardware level (PCB and vRAM) AMD actually packed quite an uplift in hardware between the two cards, the 6800/XT was quite the bargain, if you look back, it was'nt worth 900 but it was worth more than a 3070ti.
The other question posed was whether the 7900XT was an Nvidia '70 class card and its not. In engineering terms the PCB, Bus speed, Vram and PCB hardware terms, the 7900XT is somewhere between a '80 and a '90 class reference card (thanks to Nvidia the 4090 reference is 20+3 and 70amp rated components) therefore, in answer to the other question, whether the 7900XT will drop to 599inc, the answer is also no, I doubt AMD could maintain margin on it at that price. Nvidia on the other hand could, quite easily, hit 599 with the 4070ti reference design and still make bank.
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You can cherry pick a couple of titles where the 7900XT does but better but on average for todays games its just 8% faster than the 4070ti while the 6800 was 7% faster than a 3070ti and no one thought that was a £900 card.
Moreover even the 7900xtx gets beaten in something like Metro RT
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Couldn't care less, as customer, that a seller must over engineer their product so their best can at least keep it with 2nd or 3rd best from the competition. They've chosen that, it goes out of their own profits, not from my pocket.
Don't forget about HBM memory used on Fury, plus water cooled, and it was $649. Vega64 $499.
But yeah, these 7900xt/x... sure, $1000 a pop.
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It's a 4060 Ti in disguise. /Thread
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Good call there, so yeah I will look around for one 3080 or so!
No we shall vote with our brains - not a penny until this farse settles. But I guess it wont. People will cash out im afriad :/
Well or I might just sit tight some more and hope for a pre owned 4070ti later in the year. I want that DLSS 3 damnit ..LOL!
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Surely if you buy 2nd hand you're just helping fund someone's purchase of one of these new cards. So a new card still gets bought.
We all need to resist this overpriced shiz for as long as we can , prices of the 30 and 40 series have to drop and so does next gen.Ok Doc, thanks that's very specific
I've got a Vega 64 as stopgap, it's OK I guess.
Honestly, if the RTX 4070 is £700 I'll probably skip it, and I think you are probably right about the price.
Yeah nearly a grand and they give a poxy 12GB.
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I had all of the Ampere cards and I agree, the 3060Ti was stonking for the money!
8k No thanks.
They overproduced the 30 series for the crypo greed and are now stuck with excess stock but can't bare to lower prices. So inflate 40 series to make older cards seem like a bargain.
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I though the whole point of AMD going with an MCM design was to keep the costs down but if they are that expensive to make yet only match the performance of a card nvidia could sell for £600 then that is a massive failure.
Just imagine if nvidia didn't screw with die sizes and price and followed a similar pattern of last gen and released the 4080 as a 4070ti for £600 and the 4070ti as a 4060ti for £400, AMDs cards would look so stupid it would be unreal.
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