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What do you think of the 4070Ti?

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Joxeon said:
I though the whole point of AMD going with an MCM design was to keep the costs down but if they are that expensive to make yet only match the performance of a card nvidia could sell for £600 then that is a massive failure.
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They never said anything about passing the savings on to us though :p

Plus they know many AMD boys will happily pay the current asking price. Prices will slowly come down during the year as the dust builds up :cry:
 
Purgatory said:
Not surprised at all.

I still think the 3060ti was best 30 series card then the 3080 10GB for price and performance of course at MSRP FE prices.
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It was a very good card and nvidia were genuinely worried about rdna2 at the time. The 6800 xt after all was also good for it's price.

I think without crypto inflation and serious supply issues from AMD, the standout cards were the 3060 Ti and 6800 XT in reference spec from last gen. The 3070 would have been a good pick if it wasn't for the 3060 Ti.
 
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There's so much wishful thinking about prices in this thread.

The prices aren't going to fall. Nvidia doesn't do that (e.g. lower MSRP).

The exception was relaunching the RTX 4080 12GB as the RTX 4070 TI and lowering the price by £100. Not a massive cut.

The best you can hope for is better priced mid tier cards in the RTX 4000 series. But they aren't rushing to announce them, are they?

The people that are complaining the most loudly though, are people already unhappy with the RTX 4070 TIs performance, so a lower tier GPU isn't going to please them.
 
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Poneros said:
I think 12 GB is fine, and 500 GB/s is just on the line of being enough (keep in mind the extra l2$) even for 4K because in the end it's not really 4K (DLSS performance), only the 4090 can actually handle that. Imo the real pain is for those cards below 4070 because now you're talking 128bit & 8 GB vram, and the prices will still be heavy but now they will be much harder to justify. To me that situation is really, really dire.
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How is 12GB fine?, the card is choking @4k and in certain RT scenarios too. This is due to limited Vram and Bandwidth. Are you trying to tell me that someone paying £900-£1050 for a 4070ti is meant to accept that their card cannot perform as well at 4k as cards from 2 years ago?
 
Sgt_Major said:
How is 12GB fine?, the card is choking @4k and in certain RT scenarios too. This is due to limited Vram and Bandwidth. Are you trying to tell me that someone paying £900-£1050 for a 4070ti is meant to accept that their card cannot perform as well at 4k as cards from 2 years ago?
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£1000 is the new mid tier price now..
 
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How is 12GB fine?, the card is choking @4k and in certain RT scenarios too. This is due to limited Vram and Bandwidth. Are you trying to tell me that someone paying £900-£1050 for a 4070ti is meant to accept that their card cannot perform as well at 4k as cards from 2 years ago?
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I mean you are exaggerating the problem.

If we look at it's competitor the 7900 XT. It goes from a +8% advantage to a +10%.

If you are going to point to the 3090 Ti. The 7900 XT must also be choking as it gets overtaken after having a comfortable lead.

The reality is the Ampere architecture isn't fully utilised below 4K for some reason.

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g67575 said:
I was just about to buy a (used) RTX 3070 again (to play at 1440p), but saw this:
wccftech.com

NVIDIA Preps Mass Production of Two More AD104 'Ada' GPUs, Possibly The RTX 4070 & RTX 4060 Ti

NVIDIA is seemingly getting ready to commence mass production on two brand new AD104 GPUs, presumably for the Geforce RTX 4070 & RTX 4060 Ti.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
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Even if true, time they produce them then market them your probably looking at later this year. If you want to play now then buy now imo instead of forever waiting for the next new thing.
 
g67575 said:
I was just about to buy a (used) RTX 3070 again (to play at 1440p), but saw this:
wccftech.com

NVIDIA Preps Mass Production of Two More AD104 'Ada' GPUs, Possibly The RTX 4070 & RTX 4060 Ti

NVIDIA is seemingly getting ready to commence mass production on two brand new AD104 GPUs, presumably for the Geforce RTX 4070 & RTX 4060 Ti.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
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Those supposed specs are quite big cut downs from the 4070 Ti which is a shame.

The 3060 Ti was 38 SMs against 48 SMs of the 3070 Ti.

4070 Ti has 60 SMs, whilst 4060 Ti is listed there as 34 SMs. Although given the TDP, likely clocked a fair bit higher.

Nvidia must be avoiding the 3060 Ti ~ 3070 ~ 3070 Ti situation they had.
 
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Yeah, I never know if they just make this stuff up. They never reveal their sources, so hard to take seriously.

Maybe they know something is coming out (relating to AD104), but the precise details? I doubt it.

Still, I'm inclined to wait a few weeks to find out.
 
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The difference in framerate at 4K is about 22% between the RTX 4070 TI and RTX 4080 according to techpowerup:
www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Specs

NVIDIA AD104, 2610 MHz, 7680 Cores, 240 TMUs, 80 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 192 bit
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com

I've expect a similar difference in performance between the RTX 4070 TI and lower tier model (RTX 4070). Assuming that there is a similar difference in SM count.
 
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Joxeon said:
I though the whole point of AMD going with an MCM design was to keep the costs down but if they are that expensive to make yet only match the performance of a card nvidia could sell for £600 then that is a massive failure.

Just imagine if nvidia didn't screw with die sizes and price and followed a similar pattern of last gen and released the 4080 as a 4070ti for £600 and the 4070ti as a 4060ti for £400, AMDs cards would look so stupid it would be unreal.
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nVIDIA wouldn't just give their best when not needed. Back in the day, a simple mainstream GPU like the gtx680 was enough to be a bit better than AMD's 7970.
If the prices would be still in the 5-$600 range, then AMD would have happily sold at those prices, just as it happily lower the prices of its CPUs when they started to gather dust.
 
TNA said:
Wonder what Lisa will come out with? She is at it almost as much :p
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I don't hate leather Jacket man, i think he does a great job and Lisa ain't to far behind. Both seem to be good minds as to selling there products. Rishi Sunak be up there soon selling for Intel. We need intel to catch up fast as i think Nvidia and AMD just price fix as to what cards have the better performance. In the past AMD would have dropped the 7900xt down below the 4070ti even though it's superior. Now they won't until it stops selling.
 
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