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Every advice I have seen, even on the street, is don't buy the 4070ti. The real question is - how many people don't ask for advice and will buy it anyway?
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Every advice I have seen, even on the street, is don't buy the 4070ti. The real question is - how many people don't ask for advice and will buy it anyway?
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The trouble is the advice is also not to buy a 4080 or 7900 XT, which only leaves you with 2 options.
We don't know how well the 4070 Ti is selling compared to the AMD cards. It looked like the AMD cards were selling well, but then there were only like 100 cards for all of Europe so it's not surprising they sold out of most of them. If the 4070 Ti stocks are better then more might have been sold but places still have stock.
Loads of people unfortunately.
I don't think it ever started selling.
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I seem to remember that the last time NVIDIA got it badly wrong they only corrected it the on the next generation. People hoping for a price reduction of any consequence may be waiting another two years!!
3090Ti has entered the chat.
The less you buy the more they cost
Therealdeal would agree. Poor lad still on a Vega 64 and keeps waiting for good guy AMD to release a card that is priced in a way that does not take the ****.
So the source for the information regarding new AD104 GPUs seems be this:
www.cnbeta.com.tw
It mentions two GPU dies, AD104-250 and AD104-251. Production is speculated to begin in about 1 month.
It doesn't really confirm any spec details, just mentions some previous possibilities / rumours.
Judging by the block diagram, if a whole group of cores (GPC) is disabled/ not included, you'd expect a GPU die with 80% of the cores of the RTX 4070 TI, so a total of 6,144 shading units.
In terms of the floating point performance, it would be ~32 TFlops assuming a clockrate of 2610 Mhz (if same clockrate as the 4070 TI).
Or, 30.7 TFlops, assuming a clockrate of 2500 Mhz. So (only in theory), either would be a little ahead of an RTX 3080 10GB in theoretical performance.
So, not sure the specs on WCCFtech add up (or are just more pessimistic).
NVIDIA计划再量产两款AD104"Ada"GPU 可能是RTX4070和4060 Ti - nVIDIA - cnBeta.COM
英伟达GeForceRTX4070和RTX4060TiGPU的量产可能在下个月开始，使用降低规格后的AD104"Ada"GPU。根据我们从消息来源获得的信息，看起来NVIDIA将为其即将推出的GeForceRTX40桌面系列生产两个全新的GPUSKU。这些SKU以AD104芯片为基础，与最近推出的GeForceRTX4070Ti所用的芯片相同，但这些新芯片性能将被大幅削减。
www.cnbeta.com.tw
It mentions two GPU dies, AD104-250 and AD104-251. Production is speculated to begin in about 1 month.
It doesn't really confirm any spec details, just mentions some previous possibilities / rumours.
Judging by the block diagram, if a whole group of cores (GPC) is disabled/ not included, you'd expect a GPU die with 80% of the cores of the RTX 4070 TI, so a total of 6,144 shading units.
In terms of the floating point performance, it would be ~32 TFlops assuming a clockrate of 2610 Mhz (if same clockrate as the 4070 TI).
Or, 30.7 TFlops, assuming a clockrate of 2500 Mhz. So (only in theory), either would be a little ahead of an RTX 3080 10GB in theoretical performance.
So, not sure the specs on WCCFtech add up (or are just more pessimistic).
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They won't explicitly lower MSRP, but can lower actual costs which helps IHVs lower their costs. They can also create games packages etc.
But these pricing arguments are boring, they happen every release and the same people saying Nvidia is killing PC gaming make the same retarded statements that are shown to be false every release.
Yes, the prices seem absurd to me, but Nvidia sets prices to maximize total profits, not revenue or market share. And Nvidia can only set a price point that the market supports, this is economics 101. Nvidia and AMD are not charities, and GPUs are not a basic human right, so their is zero legal nor moral ground for purposely reducing profits. In fact, doing so would actually have potential legal issues because as both companies are publicly traded, then their main legal responsibility is to maximize returns for shareholders (within this are legal and moral responsibility to workers, the environment etc). But as a consumer of a luxury product aimed for the worlds richest people, you either suck up to their pricing, or buy a console.
Those ain't the complaints I've been hearing, in fact the performance of all the 40 series cards are good, it's the prices that are the problem. A 200% increase in performance between 10 and 40 series cards is great but when that performance increase comes with a 200% increase in price it's largely pointless.
People should avoid the RTX 4070 TI unless they can comfortably afford one, because there is no founders edition, and really no good reason not to have one.
Apparently, they have plenty of stock relative to higher teir cards, so why not have one?
Apparently, they have plenty of stock relative to higher teir cards, so why not have one?
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We know now that other AD104 based GPUs are going to have more than 4608 shader units, based on the specs of AD106/AD107 GPUs:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/?architecture=Ada+Lovelace&sort=generation
AD106 mobile specs confirmed here:
wccftech.com
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/?architecture=Ada+Lovelace&sort=generation
AD106 mobile specs confirmed here:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070, RTX 4060, RTX 4050 & AMD Radeon RX 7700S Laptop GPU Benchmarks Leak
Performance benchmarks of NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4070, RTX 4060, RTX 4050 and AMD's Radeon RX 7700S Laptop GPUs has leaked out in Geekbench.
wccftech.com
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The most disappointing thing about the 4070Ti and 4080 is.. .that Gibbo hasn't built a huge "box pyramid". Looking at the OCUK Nvidia page, he's even got enough 4090s left over to finish the job.
It could've been the biggest and longest serving graphics card pyramid in a long time. Surely got to be more fun than simply staring at them sat on the shelves all day.
It could've been the biggest and longest serving graphics card pyramid in a long time. Surely got to be more fun than simply staring at them sat on the shelves all day.
I can't afford to be a PC gamer any more but as long as the shareholders are happy long live capitalism I guess.
Prices generally trend up but this gen its different as the level of the increase is obscene and unprecedented and results in almost double the increase in one generation compared to what we've seen in the 10 years before that so its not surprising people are kicking off.
Remember a 580 was really the full blown chip too, after the 580 all chips were not what they should have been by the old naming.Prices generally trend up but this gen its different as the level of the increase is obscene and unprecedented and results in almost double the increase in one generation compared to what we've seen in the 10 years before that so its not surprising people are kicking off.
Even the 3080 was a cut down large chip not the full chip. Since the 580 we have not been given a real 80 class that use to be the full blown chip and best card you could buy.
Surely if the card were choking like you're saying then you could show us some frametime graphs to illustrate that problem. Furthermore you're confused about what the comparison should be, because the cards are judged in relation to each other as they are available and not some random selection of 5 cheap 3090/Ti's that you found on ebay one time. So when you look at the 4070 Ti, it's not just about what the card itself can do but also what it can do as compared to AMD's equivalents (near-cost), which when it comes to RT it gives the 7900XT and even the XTX a right spanking. Finally, this is NOT a 4K card if what we mean by 4K is rendering all 8.3 million pixels rather than using it with something like DLSS Performance etc. The reality is no GPU is really a true 4K card except maybe the 4090 and even then as soon as you count RT you really should still turn on DLSS. So when DLSS is taken into account then it turns out that 12 GB is enough for playing at "4K" even with all the RT goodies turned on.
Now, whether this type of performance is worth $900+ is up to the buyer, but ultimately if you do want this level of performance you're not going to find it cheaper, so complaining about it is pointless. Companies respond to sales numbers, not # of forum posts whinging about price, and as of right now we don't know how well/badly these cards have been received.
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Capitalism is about the individual's own margins. It's totally capitalistic for a consumer to think of their own margins by wanting to pay less.
It is socialism where we exist to prop up private foreign companies like charities such as Nvidia and AMD who get massive tax incentives from the US taxpayer already. Nvidia didn't pay any Federal taxes in 2018 for example:
www.cnbc.com
In the USSR, consumers existed as charities to prop up companies and were forced to buy overpriced and subpar consumer products.
We as consumers don't exist as charities. Nvidia, Intel and AMD are not even British firms and hardly contribute to the UK tax base or economy. So for the poor techno socialists here whether they make not enough profit that is not our problem. Other companies will eventually fill the void.
The techno socialists in this thread, if you are so support these companies, donate money to them from bank accounts if you feel sorry for them.Don't expect others to care. People don't walk into their Tesco and ponder whether Tesco is making enough money, if they decide to shop at Lidl instead.
There are huge online money saving communities like HUKD,etc dedicated to getting deals worldwide. People rush to sales in shops. People like to pay less of they could to increase their own margins.
Some of you are really are in some disjointed form of reality.
It is socialism where we exist to prop up private foreign companies like charities such as Nvidia and AMD who get massive tax incentives from the US taxpayer already. Nvidia didn't pay any Federal taxes in 2018 for example:
These 91 companies paid no federal taxes in 2018
A new report from think tank says some of the biggest companies in the country had effective tax rates of 0% or less in 2018.
www.cnbc.com
In the USSR, consumers existed as charities to prop up companies and were forced to buy overpriced and subpar consumer products.
We as consumers don't exist as charities. Nvidia, Intel and AMD are not even British firms and hardly contribute to the UK tax base or economy. So for the poor techno socialists here whether they make not enough profit that is not our problem. Other companies will eventually fill the void.
The techno socialists in this thread, if you are so support these companies, donate money to them from bank accounts if you feel sorry for them.Don't expect others to care. People don't walk into their Tesco and ponder whether Tesco is making enough money, if they decide to shop at Lidl instead.
There are huge online money saving communities like HUKD,etc dedicated to getting deals worldwide. People rush to sales in shops. People like to pay less of they could to increase their own margins.
Some of you are really are in some disjointed form of reality.
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