no, luxory items are not impacted by cost of living. For example,. champagne, Rolex watches,etc. are all experiencing record sales because the rich are not impacted by cost of living. They have go richer while the bottom half of society got poorer.
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What do you think of the 4070Ti?
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no, luxory items are not impacted by cost of living. For example,. champagne, Rolex watches,etc. are all experiencing record sales because the rich are not impacted by cost of living. They have go richer while the bottom half of society got poorer.
You are getting too stuck up on particular model numbers which don't always follow the same line up. Better to think in terms of budget. If you want to spend £600 on a new GPU you look at what each IHV sales at that price point and decide if the performance upgrade and features are good enough for you to personally purchase. What ever name is associated with that GPU shouldn't impact you. Otherwise you might as well call the 4070ti a 4080ti if naming is so important.
Rich people don't buy 4070ti's though.
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No, I'm really not. I don't care what it's name is. If I did, I would be arguing that it should be called a 4060 Super. I care about the price to performance ratio, which is OK for the 4090 but really poor for the 4080 and even worse for the 4070ti.
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Getting us all ready for higher prices to come once 3nm becomes the norm.
Shouldn't be an issue, the current Nvidia 4N
(5N) process gives ~ 200 dies per 300mm wafer so ~ $100 per chip for the 4070 TI @ 300mm^2Density will increase more than the 25% price increase so an equivalent die should be less expensive.
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I never said never and you should perhaps read my comment again.. because its primarily concerned with amd's motivation to open source which humbug then reduced to a rudimentary comparison of r&d prowess..
however, having said that NVIDIA is currently in the drivers seat as far as innovation in enabling technologies go. Anyone who believes that amd is open sourcing out of kindness or peddling that narrative is setting themselves up for a rudee shock if and when amd regains control of the gpu market
That's actually a relatively small increase, 7 to 5 (-2nm) added $6k, 5 to 3 (a further-2nm) is only adding $4k.
Getting us all ready for higher prices to come once 3nm becomes the norm.
Not sure why TSMC's clients would shy away from that as like with all node shrinks you balance performance vs cost, a node shrink mainly means you can fit more into the same area so it gives you more options, do you want to put more into the same space or do you want to put the same into a smaller space.
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I personally don't consider GPUs to be luxury items, they are necessary for PC gaming as a hobby/interest so to not have them is effectively denying yourself access or going Retro
The problem is (as I see it) manufactures and the whole chain tbh shifting from gpus being a black box graphics accelerator to being a luxury consumer items like audiophile equipment, designer brands and bloody horse bridals with diamonds sewn in. Really what they are playing on is PC Gamers interest, passion (addiction?) in order to squeeze the most they can whilst using marketing and PR as the mechanism for making you think its fine.
Once upon a time you had choice among retail products you had the King Pin extreme, the RGB clown editions but you also had practical alternatives that came with tighter margins. Now you have the same three options we've always had do nothing, buy 2nd hand or pony up but they are all less attractive than they were. Even the price insensitive consumer is losing out because they get less (with more of their $$$ going into profit margins) and stagnation in software as the top end becomes ever more niche.
The market has shifted into blatant exploitation now, Nvidia and AMD want maximum $$$ for their investors and they don't care how they get it.
What would really shift the balance is if gamers started buying shares and used their shear numbers to out weigh other investor groups to pursue a more consumer friendly policies, to build growth on growing gaming rather than extracting more from the current market.
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This is the problem with apathtic weaked willed PCMR cultists,the customer is always wrong and the company is always right so any crap move is OK. Then fool themselves into explaining away crap moves and excuse making.But sadly 20 years of social media indoctrination of PCMR cultists has lead to become weaked willed,apathtic Whales. I fully expect most of them would never ask for a raise at work,or go and buy something at a sale,because that would be decreasing company profits and that would be bad.
Yeah,I somehow doubt the last sentence,which is why I call these people cultists. The companies can't do any wrong.Also the irony of the people talking about what certain political parties have done in this country with their chums,which pretty much privatise everything and then make sure the public purse is overcharged for the same services,and their buddies get rich. Then the same people defending what Nvidia is doing(and some defending AMD price rises too).The cognitive dissonance is weird.
Over a decade ago you had people troll forums and comments sections of articles,saying dGPUs are luxury items,the price isn't too bad,pay more,earn more money,people are entitled,etc. One of the most infamous posters was a guy known as Rollo.
It turned out Nvidia was giving a bunch of people free hardware through an marketing company intermediate ,and once they got found out(I think someone admitted some of the details IIRC) you had all these people pushing that blurb,having to put in their social media tags they worked with Nvidia including mods on certain forums(including an infamous one over on AT forums). I have been on forums for a long time and lurked on them for nearly 20 years,and the day all these tags popped up made me realise how much companies try to set the narrative by underhand ways. OFC,Nvidia said they had just started the new program,except people were talking about it before this.
There was numerous threads on the subject at the time. But it was always pay more,GPUs are luxury items,consumers shouldn't dictate to companies what they charge,you are entitled(not the companies),etc. Classic astroturfing and some have been indoctrinated massively by this and are sprewing marketing lines from over 15 years ago.
This marketing line has been pushed one way or another for that long. It's Apple level marketing.
It's all rubbish in that article. The published figures for wafer prices are probably higher than what Nvidia,AMD,Intel,etc pay because they book volume ahead of schedule and get discounts.
But even with people taking the RRP pricing for wafers,and calculating yields,its quite clear the chips don't cost as much as people think. So even if you add 20% to the price it won't translate into $100s.
The main reason is because these companies have gotten greedy and charged way too much,told their "investors" that pandemic pricing and margins over 2020/2021 would be maintained over the next few years. Except now it's not happening,as the world starts to move on and the wheels are falling off the bus now.
They are cutting volume because they can't sustain the sales because of their greedy pricing so need to massively jack up margins to compensate. This is why they all trying to make it sound like lower pricing tiers are irrelevant now,and "everyone" only buys the "high end" - you are seeing the media push this too. Yet in the realworld it's quite clear this isn't true. They are spinning stuff so their investors don't get spooked because of them overpromising because of greed.
But because we live in capitalist society,and since Nvidia,AMD and Intel are not British companies,none of us need to act like socialists to prop them up. So ultimately none of us need to be charities for them.
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They are both price fixing, keeping the new and old stock at a higher "MSRP".
Yes it's gimped, why pay nearly £1000 to play at 1080p/1440p when older cheaper cards can do that.
I was aware of your context and the content of his I’ll conceived reply.
That does not change the fact you stated AMD don’t innovate and you are wrong (regardless of context).
Well said, the markets dictate but they are trying to manipulate the market.
I think this is way worse than the 20 series.
Yeah it's good to vent but really we need to resist and not buy the overpriced shiz. I'll be continuing to buy used until price per performance returns.
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The 7900XT is really the 7800XT.
AMD pulled an Nvidia and changed the tier info to try and con us.
Who cares, they're just names. People will decide based on price.
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The "names" have traditionally been associated with the SKU/code name of the chip. 3080 GA102, 3070 GA104 etc
When the traditional tier name, gets pushed into another code name completely, you are getting shafted because you're not getting the full chip for the money you pay.
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