What do you think of the 4070Ti?

[brostradamus]

That still wouldn't help much though since for £850 the performance isn't where it needs to be and upping the bus to 256 still isn't going to make up for the lack of cuda cores.

true.. but the job is to position the product among available options. if amd were more competitive things would have been different, but a 4080 that performs in line with a 7900xt and 50 bucks cheaper could have been a good sell.. in fact there was no need to overspec the 4090, they could have called it a 4090 ti and sold it +200 while the 4090 would have been a less powerful iteration at 1399-1459 instead

 

[Gibbo]

Surely they wouldn't release a 7800XT that is barely faster than a 6800XT? Then again, surely Nvidia wouldn't try and sell a 4060ti as a 4080 yet here we are! Crazy times! AMD also have form on rebadging cards that are basically the same performance i.e. the 290X, 480 and 580.

I hope the 7800XT will offer the same performance as a 6900XT for £600. I expect it will be £749 though.

I see two options for AMD regarding 7800 XT:
1. Re-box the 6900/6950 XT and call it 7800 XT with an MSRP of $699-799, of course 699 preferred but AMD will aim to make as much margin as possible. If they do this we know how it performs we also know it would sell like crazy simply because our 6900 XT deals sold like mental in the £650-£800 price range.
2. 7800 XT based on new chiplet design, aim for circa 6900 XT performance, 16G RAM, 256-Bit BUS and price it at $649-699

Expect the above or close too. Neither AMD or NVIDIA are going to be producing crazy fast GPU's for sub $500 any more it seems, I guess Intel is now destined to sit in this segment.

 

[Marine-RX179]

1440p is fine for the 4070ti, that's why almost all of the bigger review sites focused on 1440p performance deep-dives (Guru3d for example) and ignored 4k. I suspect this guidance (focus on 1440p) was in the NDA review notes from Nvidia.

At 4k, the vast majority of games will be fine too and the newer Vulkan, Unreal Engine 5 games will be less effected, you would hope. We only have Callisto Protocol and Red Dead 2 to go on. 'The Day Before' will be released on 1st March, it is an UE5 AAA title that should confirm what Callisto Protocol is showing us.

With the slightly overclocked 4070ti already looking so poor against the 7900XT for 1440p, I would imagine 4K would only further widen the gap between the two due to the bus-size and memory bandwidth and capacity difference, and why Nvidia don't want people to focus too much on 4K for the 4070ti too much...

 

[brostradamus]

there seems to be a (statistical) bias in tpu's results the 4070 ti is supposed to be 1% faster in doom eternal 4k and 2% slower in 1440p against the 7900xt, most other outlets too have rated the 2 cards in the same bracket

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4070 Ti - De gedegradeerde 4080

De GeForce RTX 4070 Ti is de volgende toevoeging aan de RTX 40-serie. We bekijken de prestaties en zetten de kaart tegenover courante kaarten van Nvidia en AMD.

tweakers.net

 

[Besty]

@Marine-RX179 Yes it will, I was just responding to the question about the 4070ti frame-time spikes. Unless there is a driver problem, the spikes should not appear on the 4070ti at 1440p, at least, not in the data available.

 

[Murphy]

But even with people taking the RRP pricing for wafers,and calculating yields,its quite clear the chips don't cost as much as people think. So even if you add 20% to the price it won't translate into $100s.

Not even close, IIRC i estimated the bill of materiels on the 4090 and being very generous i ball parked it at around $500-600. Before anyone jumps on that and says but, but, but, i doubled that cost to cover things like R&D, marketing, profits, etc, etc so estimated a reasonable price for the 4090 was probably around the $1k mark.

From what i can tell Nvidia (I've not estimated AMD as chiplets make the calculations a lot more complex) are charging at least +30% more than necessary, something that tallies well with their profit margins being around the 60% mark instead of the 30% that i think most people would consider reasonable.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I miss the old days when we didn't have a Ti version of everything (or anything) and the 2nd best card (e.g. xx70) by each team was the obvious sensible choice while the top tier card was slightly better but at a premium price.
Now for both sides the card that makes the most sense it the top card. That used to be for the wealthy and benchmarkers while average gamers could happily get a decent card for a good chunk less.

 

[Rroff]

Not even close, IIRC i estimated the bill of materiels on the 4090 and being very generous i ball parked it at around $500-600. Before anyone jumps on that and says but, but, but, i doubled that cost to cover things like R&D, marketing, profits, etc, etc so estimated a reasonable price for the 4090 was probably around the $1k mark.

From what i can tell Nvidia (I've not estimated AMD as chiplets make the calculations a lot more complex) are charging at least +30% more than necessary, something that tallies well with their profit margins being around the 60% mark instead of the 30% that i think most people would consider reasonable.

Not an opinion everyone will share but personally I'm OK with nVidia charging whatever for an actual flagship card - if I need it I'll pay for it, what I don't find OK at all is what they've been increasingly doing with the cards below that.

The 3070FE was steep at £470 but at least you got a GPU built with premium materials for the money and I'd have been more OK with the price if it had a little more VRAM but even that was a big step up for the x70 position - to go from there to £1000 with the 4070ti is just bending the consumer over especially when the 4070ti would have barely made it into the x60 class in any previous generation even the more recent ones. Sadly there are people who'll even defend the practise.

 

[Murphy]

Not an opinion everyone will share but personally I'm OK with nVidia charging whatever for an actual flagship card - if I need it I'll pay for it, what I don't find OK at all is what they've been increasingly doing with the cards below that.

I don't necessarily disagree however IMO whatever price for flagship card risks normalising high prices, i get some people will pay almost anything if it's the best of the best but i suspect some companies would look at the profit margins on high vs low end and think to themselves, why aren't we making these sorts of profits on everything we sell.

 

[Darujhistan]

Not an opinion everyone will share but personally I'm OK with nVidia charging whatever for an actual flagship card - if I need it I'll pay for it, what I don't find OK at all is what they've been increasingly doing with the cards below that.

WOW.

 

[TheGamingGeneral]

There does appear to be a sizeable amount of appetite for the flagship card, tbh I think they could probably get away with anything upto £2k for a **90/Titan card based on how the 4090 sold, but everything under it would appear to max out at £1000, I don't know how you normalize a product stack like that unless their attitude is 5000 series is flagship/halo product and then you release the rest of the line 12 months later at ''regular'' pricing.

 

[Inked1]

Put your pitchforks down!!!!So.....why all the hate? i have purchaced a rtx4070 ti eagle for £815.00 , now i play games at 165hz high settings on a gysnc enabled monitor at 2560 x 1440 , so please explain to me what better options i have ???? rtx 3080 doesnt do it , cant get 165hz on high settings a rtx 3080 is £720 new .......so the rtx 4070ti only £95 more , further i get a score of 21000 on the rtx4070ti and only 16300 on a overclocked rtx3080 ................so which is the better card for my needs? ????

instead of jumping on the rtx4070ti hate brandwagon ....think for yourselves or listen to people who know what they are talking about!!! for example the experts at 3d guru.....been doing graphics card tests as long as ive been building them 25 years plus ...

To sum it all up, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti provides a proper gaming experience. Comparing apples to apples, it sits (give or take) at 3090 Ti performance. And comparing apples to oranges, the closest comparative is the Radeon RX 6900/6950 XT and 7900 XT. The choice in-between 4070 Ti and 7900 XT is a complex one. The RTX offers better raytracing performance and adds the bonus of DLSS3. The 7900 XT, however, is a notch faster in the rasterizer engine backed by the additional L3 cache. The 12GB this card offers also is enough for the time being with most titles and the combination of Ultra HD. The ADA GPU architecture will cut through games with surgical precision and perform skillfully and competently. A good chunk of extra shader cores brings in nearly 1.5x raw shader performance and even faster Raytracing, and Tensor cores offer more performance. Underlying technologies like Shader Execution Reordering (SER) and DLSS 3.0 make the new product and Series 4000 shine. In closing, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti impresses and will make you happy, but at a substantial cost. Despite the excellent perf per watt ratio, the energy consumption levels remain on the high side (relatively). What the PC Gaming market needs are more affordable graphics cards, and the 4070 Ti seems to be priced a notch too high, making people delay their upgrade. The market screams for reasonable performing sub-500 USD products.

 

[humbug]

Put your pitchforks down!!!!So.....why all the hate? i have purchaced a rtx4070 ti eagle for £815.00 , now i play games at 165hz high settings on a gysnc enabled monitor at 2560 x 1440 , so please explain to me what better options i have ???? rtx 3080 doesnt do it , cant get 165hz on high settings a rtx 3080 is £720 new .......so the rtx 4070ti only £95 more , further i get a score of 21000 on the rtx4070ti and only 16300 on a overclocked rtx3080 ................so which is the better card for my needs? ????

instead of jumping on the rtx4070ti hate brandwagon ....think for yourselves or listen to people who know what they are talking about!!! for example the experts at 3d guru.....been doing graphics card tests as long as ive been building them 25 years plus ...

To sum it all up, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti provides a proper gaming experience. Comparing apples to apples, it sits (give or take) at 3090 Ti performance. And comparing apples to oranges, the closest comparative is the Radeon RX 6900/6950 XT and 7900 XT. The choice in-between 4070 Ti and 7900 XT is a complex one. The RTX offers better raytracing performance and adds the bonus of DLSS3. The 7900 XT, however, is a notch faster in the rasterizer engine backed by the additional L3 cache. The 12GB this card offers also is enough for the time being with most titles and the combination of Ultra HD. The ADA GPU architecture will cut through games with surgical precision and perform skillfully and competently. A good chunk of extra shader cores brings in nearly 1.5x raw shader performance and even faster Raytracing, and Tensor cores offer more performance. Underlying technologies like Shader Execution Reordering (SER) and DLSS 3.0 make the new product and Series 4000 shine. In closing, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti impresses and will make you happy, but at a substantial cost. Despite the excellent perf per watt ratio, the energy consumption levels remain on the high side (relatively). What the PC Gaming market needs are more affordable graphics cards, and the 4070 Ti seems to be priced a notch too high, making people delay their upgrade. The market screams for reasonable performing sub-500 USD products.

The problem isn't its existence, its the price of it.

RTX 2070 Super: $499
RTX 3070Ti: $599
RTX 4070Ti: $799

Its 16% faster than a 3080 for 14% more money.

If this keeps going we will get a 4070 with 3080 performance for 3080 money, we are being priced up a tier. The 5070 will be the same, 4080 money for 4080 performance.

 

[Joxeon]

The problem isn't its existence, its the price of it.

RTX 2070 Super: $499
RTX 3070Ti: $599
RTX 4070Ti: $799

Its 16% faster than a 3080 for 14% more money.

If this keeps going we will get a 4070 with 3080 performance for 3080 money, we are being priced up a tier. The 5070 will be the same, 4080 money for 4080 performance.

Your paying more money for less cuda cores than a 3080, when was the last time this happened with a GPU?

 

[Inked1]

so answer my question !!!!, should i instaed fork out at £1100 for the same performance? thats £ 300 more for the same performance ....give me a break

 

[humbug]

Your paying more money for less cuda cores than a 3080, when was the last time this happened with a GPU?

I know....

We will be paying well over £1000 for mid range cards with in 2 years, mark my words.

 

[Phixsator]

@humbug Remember back when you got last gen flagship(780ti,980ti,1080ti,2080ti) performance in the next gen's xx70 card for half the money or less? Miss those days.

 

[humbug]

@humbug Remember back when you got last gen flagship(780ti,980ti,1080ti,2080ti) performance in the next gen's xx70 card for half the money or less? Miss those days.

Yeah....

Oh and those of you who like to flex how expensive your halo cards are, how much money have you really got? How many thousands are you willing to pay for your ##90 class cards?

 

[Inked1]

""Your paying more money for less cuda cores than a 3080, when was the last time this happened with a GPU?"""

what has that got to do with anything !!!! cuda core this that , the 3080 is a far less card in performance in real world gaming where it counts ....not on paper , i give up here , i know what i need to know , carry on as you all where

i get a score of 21000 on time spy on the rtx4070ti and only 16300 on a overclocked rtx3080 ................so which is the better card for my needs? ????

 

[gpuerrilla]

Put your pitchforks down!!!!So.....why all the hate? i have purchaced a rtx4070 ti eagle for £815.00 , now i play games at 165hz high settings on a gysnc enabled monitor at 2560 x 1440 , so please explain to me what better options i have ???? rtx 3080 doesnt do it , cant get 165hz on high settings a rtx 3080 is £720 new .......so the rtx 4070ti only £95 more , further i get a score of 21000 on the rtx4070ti and only 16300 on a overclocked rtx3080 ................so which is the better card for my needs? ????

instead of jumping on the rtx4070ti hate brandwagon ....think for yourselves or listen to people who know what they are talking about!!!

Depends on where you came from, what was your previous card and system spec before getting the 4070ti?