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but man, theoretically the 4070 ti is still half the 3090 ti launch price..
This is where I disagree with you. The only reason the price is the way it is, is because people are paying. We have had competition and it doesn't do a darn thing, just look at both AMD and Nvidias prices. They are both having a laugh. If people would actually put their money where their mouth is we wouldn't have this issue. Only inflation would be a thing we had to battle. GPUs are for most people not a necessity.
And these "luxury" features are from this gen alone.
12GB is good enough for a mid-range card, and that's what the 4070ti (4060ti) is. And they want £850 for it, lord help us
GPUs as luxury objects... ha ha ha. Imagine the luxury of paying for a masterful craftsmanship just so that your card melts the power connector due to poor engineering of the connector (lack of that magic click) or that your card overheats if is stays in the position most people would use it, but perhaps it wasn't properly tested in. trololollll. AMD would actually be upgraded from premium to luxury! The scarcity driven by low market share makes it even more valuable!
One more thing, if you think the 4080 would have been fine at $1000 or the 7900xt just a hundred or so lower than its MSRP (same for 7900xtx) or that 4070ti is fine since is competing with 3080ti/3090 or whatever halo card (remember the same PR talk with 3070 vs 2080ti?), then is game, set, match. You've already lost and while you'd afford to pay $1000 for that 4080 now or $800 or whatever for the 7900xt, the next gen or next-next gen would have you priced out as well. What do you think happens with people that will not afford to pay 4-$500 or whatever they'll want for a 4050 card when 3xxx sells out? They will be priced out and quit gaming on a PC. Fingers crossed there will be millions willing to spend upwards of $5-700 (or more), so that devs have an install base to target.
Yes, naming, GPU's specs and the lot DOES matter as it paints a picture of how the IHV wants to milk the market or not and how much respect has towards its customers. Defending the seller, as a customer, is as illogical as creating a union to ask for lower wages, make a strike for higher taxes or pay more for your house, because you know... yOu HaVe To WoRk MoRe AnD hOuSiNg iS nOt A rIgHt! Yeah, pretty fun when the construction developers will sell you 10-15sq meters "apartments" at only 100-200k because BOM, because R&D and, most important, the need for constant QoQ or YoY record profits. Customers will be like: dude, what other options we have, stay in a tent?!
So go ahead, buy these cards, some people will be very grateful for that and for the free publicity.
The cut down cuda cores is why the cards performance isn't actually much better than a 3080, had they used the same amount of cuda cores it would have been 35% faster not just the 17% or so.
High-end? You do realise this is the 4070ti thread
Would you even notice the jump from a 3080 at 140fps to 4070ti 165fps with gsync enabled without an fps counter on?
35% more performance *for the same money* would have been a good generational uplift and enough of a difference to notice.
They are just following the Nvidia narrative of "lets compare it to the worse possible price to performance card ever released" rather than the sensible £650 option from last gen.
That makes sense! I always wondered why Nvid do this as a flex also. It feels like they're essentially saying, "look how much we were price gouging xx90 buyers last generation!"
