Is it though? From benchmarks I've seen the 7900XT is anything from 4-10% faster, I'm guessing better for you includes something other than performance.
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What do you think of the 4070Ti?
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Because the 7900 XT is not actually a worse product it is consistently faster in raster and power consumption is only marginally worse, as is RT.
The problem with both is pricing and the 7900 XT has been roundly derided for its price.
So your post is wrong by almost every metric
Soldato
Yes, the 4070ti is the far superior product. Sure the 7900xt is around 8% faster in raster, but then again its 10-15% more expensive, so raster is a tie / even goes to the 4070ti. In RT the xt is laughably bad, dlss > fsr but the 70ti supports both anyways. Efficiency is also a win for the 70ti.
And i haven't even touched the abnormal and disgusting power consumption the xt has on multimonitors or playing a YouTube video...
Soldato
Rt is marginally worse?
In what, games that have a trace of RT like farcry 6? I heavy rt games the 70ti is faster than the XTX, let alone the xt. Dont be fanboying guys, yes we all hate nvidia but do we hate nvidia more than we hate lying?
Yes, marginally worse. At 4K a very heavy RT game like CP 2077 for example is 17 FPS for 7900 XT vs 22 FPS for 4070Ti. So neither are playable without enabling DLSS/FSR.
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And in 1440p,whats the difference between these 2 in rt cyberpunk? 33% huh? The 70ti is faster than the xtx huh?Yes, marginally worse. A very heavy RT game like CP 2077 for example is 20 FPS for 7900 XT vs 22 FPS for 4070Ti. So neither are playalbe without enabling DLSS/FSR.
WD:L and Metro Exodus with RT the 7900 XT is actually faster.
MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X Review
MSI's GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Gaming X comes with a large triple-fan, triple-slot thermal solution that runs at whisper-quiet noise levels with low temperatures. In terms of performance the new card is able to match last generation's flagship, the RTX 3090 Ti, and offers new features like DLSS 3...www.techpowerup.com
K, i get it, you hate nvidia more than you hate lying so no point talking with people like that, sure, the 7900xt is better than the 70ti. There ya go
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Here's a summary from hub:
1440p
4070 ti 152 fps
7900 XT 158 fps
3090 ti 145 fps
4k
4070 ti 87 fps
7900 XT 94 fps
3090 ti 90 fps
1440p RT
4070 ti 105 fps
7900 XT 98 fps
3090 ti 107 fps
Power consumption:
4070 ti is consistently better, around 60w savings in total system power
Edit: i personally base current gen perf on doom eternal numbers, its the pinnacle of a well optimized vulkan game. Here too the performance is similar to average stats. The cards perform within +/-2% range on both resolutions in native raster and RT puts the 4070 ti ahead by approx 20% at 4k and around 12% at 1440p.
Also the 4070 ti is probably 10% ahead of 7900xt in speedway which makes it slightly more futureproof
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Soldato
In heavy rt games the difference is much bigger, but even with those numbers, considering how much cheaper the 70ti is, and how many less issues it has, and that insane power draw difference, yeah, its clearly the worse product
Yep, win some lose some and in tpyical gaming about 35 - 40 W more consumption at stock. Overall if both GPUs were affordable I would go for the 7900 XT. For the 4080 and 7900 XTX I would go for a 4080.
The 4090 Founders Edition is pretty good and better than the 7900XT reference.
The Palit 4090 Gamerock OC PCB is actually worse PCB components than the 7900XT reference. Palit used 16 phases and horrid capacitors.
anyway, point being, the 4070ti AIB cards are generally a bit ropey and Nvidia has to sign each PCB design off.
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You said the XT beats the 4070 ti consistently in raster in your prev comment
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Lol. I have a 4K 144Hz monitor and I own a 4080 by the way. My recent GPU history is 2080, 3080 and 4080 go figure considering I hate Nvidia. I prefer AMD but will generally pick the best GPU after I make a considered assessment and will go AMD or Nvidia
You on the otherhand just seem to be posting nonsense based on "feels" rather than facts.
Again not what I'm seeing...
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I've got no problem if you think the 3070Ti is better or a far superior product but i wish you'd stop using superlatives as it makes it hard for others to understand what you think makes it so, if you think losing 4-10% in all games is worth the extra performance you get when turning the eye candy up to 11 in less than 5% of games then yes it's better, for you. Similarly if you think the 30W saving when under load vs the extra 5W when idle makes for a better or far superior product then I've got no issue with that, what i do take issue with is blanket superlatives.
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There's another guy who hates Nvidia but only buys Nvidia products.. name starts with "h"
Soldato
How is it not what you are seeing? Even in ocuk the 4070ti is cheaper, and the same is true across all europe basically. Its even cheaper than the reference xt models, which i wouldnt touch anyways.Again not what I'm seeing...
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I've got no problem if you think the 3070Ti is better or a far superior product but i wish you'd stop using superlatives as it makes it hard for others to understand what you think makes it so, if you think losing 4-10% in all games is worth the extra performance you get when turning the eye candy up to 11 in less than 5% of games then yes it's better, for you. Similarly if you think the 30W saving when under load vs the extra 5W when idle makes for a better or far superior product then I've got no issue with that, what i do take issue with is blanket superlatives.
Thats the thing, the xt is faster in raster, but not as much faster as it is more expensive. And then considering all the other issues, its clearly the worst product, by a mile. The only reason to ever consider it is hoping that the 20gb ram will make a difference at a real world scenario sometime down the line. Most likely it aint happening, specially in 1440p, but thats about it.
I said it consistently beats the 4070Ti in raster but meant in overall average charts according to your own source that is accurate. I also said it had worse consumption, read my post again please.
"and power consumption is only marginally worse, as is RT"
During typical gaming the 4070Ti is about 260W and the 7900 XT is about 300W. So for me both are decent power consumption cmpared to my previous 3080.
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I won't call that consistently beating.. those cards are evenly matched.
I have never seen someone make so many contradictions in one paragraph. We have went from the 4070Ti is a much better product, to the 7900 XT is faster but more expensive and has more VRAM that may be a factor.
Soldato
Where is the contradiction? From my very first post i acknowledged that the xt is faster in raster, but it doesnt matter cause its also more expensive. It would matter if the cards cost the same, but they don't.
Then in every other possible metric the xt is worse, sometimes by a truckload, while still being the more expensive product. That to me is insane.
In RT the 4070Ti is consistently beating the 7900 XT by ~10% on average.
In Raster the 7900 XT is consistently beating the 4070Ti by ~10% on average.
So I agree they are evenly matched all in but that does not make my statement wrong, which was the point I was making against Bencher.
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