What do you think of the 4070Ti?

[Besty]

Wrong. The best RT implementation we have so far is Fortnite with it's Unreal Engine 5.1 and AMD performs just as good as Nvidia there. The future dominance of that engine seems to be off the charts with every noticeable project switching to it.

The constant PR onslaught Nvidia and their fans have been doing for years regarding RT has all been for nought. What a collosal waste of time and energy.

Indeed, see below.

once you enable hardware RT mode in fortnite, nvidia will pull ahead, especially if any of the graphical effects/features requiring hardware RT are enabled

Also, nvidia have been working very closely with UE so if developers use their methods, amd won't see many optimisations for their hardware:

See the red arrow.



I will see if I can dig up the frame-rate times at 1440p in Epic settings because the 4070ti has lower minimums at 1440p 38fps (4070ti) vs 49fps (7900XT) a difference of 23%.

Source: Daniel Owen https://youtu.be/q3fLCxFb8a0

 

[Haz123]

The way some of you go on is like games are completely unplayable unless you play on maximum settings and have 144hz/360hz/VRAM/RT/Mods/Texture packs/etc and how does one cope as I'm sure theres a few games that even a 4090 has to adjust settings for.

8K gaming must frustrate the **** out of you being so unattaintable at maximum settings.

We are discussing a £800+ gpu. Should that not be an incredible product ? It does cost twice as much as a console you know.

The huge problem with the 4070ti being the price it is is the soon to come 4070 and 4060 that will be priced at £650 and then £500. Nv and AMD are manipulating the market to push products into new pricing tiers and then BANG they release the volume selling parts to maximise profits. The 4070ti pricing is all part of a plan and it is not in our best interests.

We are being ripped off and there is less value in gpus than previous gens.

8K gaming will never be a big thing. The industry will max out at 4k and the 8Kx2K super ultrawides with a half 8K resolution being the only sensible upgrade over 4K.

 

[Nexus18]

Indeed, see below.



See the red arrow.



I will see if I can dig up the frame-rate times at 1440p in Epic settings because the 4070ti has lower minimums at 1440p 38fps (4070ti) vs 49fps (7900XT) a difference of 23%.

I'm not really referring to the 4070ti here specifically, just in general when it comes to nvidia vs amd hardware, Alex from DF highlighted the differences in his twitter feed about when things like hit lighting are enabled, will link later.

To my knowledge, fortnite is also not using nvidias UE specific plugins/code for RT either, if it is, please link.

 

[Poneros]

It's funny to see people argue about minuscule raster differences. The reality on the ground when wanting to enjoy RT titles is so much more different. And this is just standard settings, never mind going into modifying the RT like for Doom Eternal where you can up the roughness threshold and see the reflections properly spread, same for Unreal titles where you can use the Unlocker etc. Let's not even start adding feature differences to the discussion, then it's an even worse showing for AMD.

 

[Besty]

Someone asked for Microsoft Flight Sim 2020 4070ti/DLSS3.0/frame generation results, I found them here, you will have to use google translate as its German. I would wait for someone on the forum who plays the game to pipe up and verify but because it is a slow moving game, it looks like a perfect candidate for frame generation and things like that.

Geforce RTX 4070 Ti Launch - DLSS 3.0 und die clevere Frame-Generation

Hier finden Sie Benchmarks und Frametimes zu DLSS 3.0 im Zusammenspiel mit der gerade erschienenen Geforce RTX 4070 Ti.

www.pcgameshardware.de

 

[G J]

We are discussing a £800+ gpu. Should that not be an incredible product ? It does cost twice as much as a console you know.

The huge problem with the 4070ti being the price it is is the soon to come 4070 and 4060 that will be priced at £650 and then £500. Nv and AMD are manipulating the market to push products into new pricing tiers and then BANG they release the volume selling parts to maximise profits. The 4070ti pricing is all part of a plan and it is not in our best interests.

We are being ripped off and there is less value in gpus than previous gens.

8K gaming will never be a big thing. The industry will max out at 4k and the 8Kx2K super ultrawides with a half 8K resolution being the only sensible upgrade over 4K.

I'm in complete agreement with you but a lot of you are way too late now as there was people rasing concerns over the way pricing of gpus was going years ago and all these people was met with was mocking, stop being poor, get better jobs, muh inflation, stop complaining. I'll take a guess that a lot of the people that where mocking the people years ago now are saying something now that its effecting them and they are priced out of the market.

We also had years of fanboys/vendor reps complaing about how 1 company was the good guy and they need the money to compete with the evil nasty evil company and how we needed competetion and now this company is pretty much the same as the evil nasty company they stop complaining. We now have a situation where 2 companies that are a duoply with price fixing, such competetion much wow.

 

[Besty]

Joke

New rule @Poneros every-time someone posts a Cyberpunk benchmark in this thread they have to pay a pound to the OCUK charity of choice.

/joke.

 

[Haz123]

It's funny to see people argue about minuscule CYBERPUNK differences. The reality on the ground when wanting to enjoy CYBERPUNK is so much more different. And this is just standard settings, never mind going into A MODDED GAME DESIGNED TO WORK WITH THE MARKET LEADER NV where you can up the roughness threshold and see the reflections properly spread, same for Unreal titles where you can use the Unlocker etc. Let's not even start adding feature differences to the discussion, then it's an even worse showing for AMD.

There you go I have fixed your statement.

In Warzone 2 AMD crushes Nvidia so thats the only game that matters. Is that a fair assessment or have I cherry picked an individual result to best highlight the differnces ?

 

[brostradamus]

Joke

New rule @Poneros every-time someone posts a Cyberpunk benchmark in this thread they have to pay a pound to the OCUK charity of choice.

/joke.

Looks like only 2 choices atm

 

[LtMatt]

There you go I have fixed your statement.

In Warzone 2 AMD crushes Nvidia so thats the only game that matters. Is that a fair assessment or have I cherry picked an individual result to best highlight the differnces ?

Preach.

To add to this, Cyberpunk is Nvidia sponsored so it's really not a fair example. If you think the RT implementation is equally optimised for both vendors, you'd be mistaken. This should be obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense. Regarding Warzone 2 however, that title is vendor neutral, despite the game performing better on AMD hardware. It also uses DLSS/FSR, although i would strongly recommend neither is used in that title as they are both bad.

 

[brostradamus]

To add to this, Cyberpunk is Nvidia sponsored so it's really not a fair example. If you think the RT implementation is equally optimised for both vendors, you'd be mistaken. This should be obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense. Regarding Warzone 2 however, that title is vendor neutral, despite the game performing better on AMD hardware. It also uses DLSS/FSR, although i would strongly recommend neither is used in that title as they are both bad.

I think the amd solution doesn't scale well with rt intensity. Atleast that's what synthetic benchmarks suggest. There was a comment comparing the 2 cards on a pathtracing benchmark published by guru3d. Also Nvidia has included an additional fixed function block for alpha testing and there's this SER or something which is looking pretty elegant with the way it intends to scale through recursion. So both cards are performing in the same ballpark but looking at new info i think the 4070 ti is a better bet for rt

 

[subbytna]

Has it lowered manufacting costs though? It now takes AMD over a 300mm compute die and 6 37.5mm cache chiplets to compete with Nvidias 295mm monolithic die which is probably also much cheaper to make.

This generation from AMD is like the Ryzen 1 launch. It'll only get better.

 

[Besty]

I'm not really referring to the 4070ti here specifically

It's ok mate, this forum needs to act as a counterbalance to the PR stuff that gets bandied about, that's why I make a point of keeping it real.

It is the 4070ti thread though

 

[Nexus18]

I think the amd solution doesn't scale well with rt intensity. Atleast that's what synthetic benchmarks suggest. There was a comment comparing the 2 cards on a pathtracing benchmark published by guru3d. Also Nvidia has included an additional fixed function block for alpha testing and there's this SER or something which is looking pretty elegant with the way it intends to scale through recursion. So both cards are performing in the same ballpark but looking at new info i think the 4070 ti is a better bet for rt

This.

AMD, more so RDNA 2 just can't cope with multiple RT effects and/or when high resolution for things like RT reflections are used. Multiple articles and DF very good in depth video covered this (would be good to get an up to date one of ada vs rdna 3), anyone who says otherwise is just in denial.

Raytracing-Showcase getestet: Ampere deklassiert Turing und RDNA 2 - ein Blick in die Zukunft?

Der Raytracing-Benchmark ART-Mark streckt selbst eine Geforce RTX 3090 und Radeon RX 6900 XT nieder - Zeit für einen genauen Blick und Benchmarks.

www.pcgameshardware.de

AMD are simply 1 generation behind nvidia in terms of RT but unless amd start to give it more attention I can see the gap widening as nvidia have invested a lot into drivers side and also with game engines and developers, amd are also too, they've made big gains in likes of quake rtx, suppose this is the norm for amd though "fine wine"...

RDNA 3 is basically matching ampere RT levels now, which is good as this is much more usable levels than what we had with RDNA 2.

Even when we look at only amd sponsored and vendor neutral RT titles (very little RT used), you can see amd lose somewhat against nvidia equivalents:​

Ps. With regards to ser optimisations for Nvidia, as far as I know only one game has this, portal rtx. Maybe Witcher 3?

 

[kieran_read]

RDNA 3 is basically matching ampere RT levels now, which is good as this is much more usable levels than what we had with RDNA 2.

No no no absolutely not. Ampere was only amazing 3 months ago now it's a streaming pile of garbage and anything below the 4000 series is unacceptable

....

Well that's what people seem to be telling me now

 

[Harlequin]

I'm not really referring to the 4070ti here specifically, just in general when it comes to nvidia vs amd hardware, Alex from DF highlighted the differences in his twitter feed about when things like hit lighting are enabled, will link later.

To my knowledge, fortnite is also not using nvidias UE specific plugins/code for RT either, if it is, please link.

Digital Shilleries are the PR department of Nvidia at this point in time.

 

[Nexus18]

Digital Shilleries are the PR department of Nvidia at this point in time.

Did you even watch the video?

Are pcgamershardware.de also PR department of nvidia too?

Raytracing-Showcase getestet: Ampere deklassiert Turing und RDNA 2 - ein Blick in die Zukunft?

Der Raytracing-Benchmark ART-Mark streckt selbst eine Geforce RTX 3090 und Radeon RX 6900 XT nieder - Zeit für einen genauen Blick und Benchmarks.

www.pcgameshardware.de

 

[Boomstick777]

Not sure how this happened ...



Don't judge me to harshly

 

[t2na]

Not sure how this happened ...



Don't judge me to harshly

240GB SSD is an interesting choice.

 

[RavenXXX2]

What you pay for it?