Well the prices arent the issue, they will drop if people don't buy. What's scaring the crap out of me is seeing the 7900xt and xtxs on top 10 lists of amazon / newegg etc best selling gpus. What message does that send to nvidia? Release prebeta hardware with tons of issues and 3 year old features and RT performance, charge a fortune and we will buy it. Holy freaking cow what are people thinking is beyond me
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what do you mean by Well the prices arent the issue ?????
Those were the days. I still have a sound blaster z in my main rig that had the same box fate. Still brilliant a soundcard.
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The fun part about the talks of "luxury" items is that a product for which you can argue in a way that can be luxury (4090) only got a price increase of about 6-7% while all the others more than doubled. And yet, Bencher & Co. are like "prices are not the problem, I'm more scared that 7900xt moves some quantities!". 
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I'm just enjoying the fact that competition from time travelling to the future is nuts, but it's OK that the 4070ti has features literally from the future.
I didn't watch the video, but im sure it would have entitlement issues. Are we leaving in the worst era to build a gaming PC? No, not by a long shot. Not even close actually. A 400€ card is enough to max out all games reasonably at 100+ fps at 1440p. Then you add in DLSS and FSR techniques and those 2 year old 350-400€ cards are going to last you 3-4 more years. Wanting to play at 4k native with RT is luxury, and demanding it to be possible with a 500€ GPU is entitlement.
Just for context, 1080ti, an 800€ card, at it's release was averaging around 100 fps at 1440p at the games that existed back then according to TPU. That's the same framerate an 6700xt or a 3060ti get you today (again, according to the latest tpu review). That's already high end gaming territory. Anything above that is ultra luxury and personally I don't give a damn how much it costs, it can be 9k € for all I care.
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The fixation on what AMD are doing is disturbing that some have tunnel vision thinking like that. Excusing the prices is unreal considering as already pointed out other industries and tech have maintained or fell in price, showing 2x hikes is unjustified.
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Nice that you've set your own personal, subjective benchmark for what luxury is. Maybe all the 1st world and 2nd world countries are living in luxury and need to get to the standard of living of the 3rd world countries in order for companies to make the best profit there is. Sounds fair?
And a 6700xt/3060ti can't give you 100+ fps maxed out at 1440p. Lol. You're trying to sell vegetables to gardners.
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What AMD are doing is the only thing that matters to Nvidia. They would otherwise love to have a monopoly where they can charge anything. If you were nvidia you would do the exact same thing, that is why they are one of the best performing stocks over the last 10 years.
It is as simple as that. If other areas of tech haven't increased it is only due to competition. Not because companies are generous.
AMD are also showing their true colours as willing to play the second smaller member in a duopoly.
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Longest meltdown in forum History?
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Imo what people often fail to do is contextualise the price. I see guys all over the internet complain about $50 differences all day, for months, and hold out, for months, for that kind of a drop, and to me it's just really bizzare given that these are people in 1st world countries who could relatively easily make up that money and instead they miss out on a better experience just so that they can count pennies.
Another thing they're missing is failing to imagine the next round of cards and their prices & performance. Is anyone really expecting that Nvidia will go backwards in pricing, especially as the economy will have rebounded by then, and the gains from node shrinks will have almost disappeared (and even those new nodes are ever more expensive)?
But to answer your question, I actually would be ok with a £700 4070 Ti as well, because it's near enough what I paid for my RX 6800 and in the scenarios I'm interested in it would be close to 2x performance. I think a bigger obstacle to wanting to upgrade right now is that there's no new game on the horizon that can really get me hyped for such an upgrade. I play a lot of Cyberpunk but I can already run that well enough (even with RT) so there's no sense of urgency. Moreover if I wanted to really splash out and get a 4090 then I'd run into a massive wall that's the CPU bottleneck, so kinda pointless too.
Well I think what this shows is that most people do not give a flying monkey turd about RT performance and pure raster performance is far far more important. Plus AMD do not sell more than Nvidia , the fact that Nv has 86% market share should prove that. The sales figures for a certain week when new products are released may favour AMD but over time Nv sell way way more gpus.
So you did not watch the video ? Do not see how this is a different situation to every other generation of gpus. Keep the blinkers on and delude yourself that you got the best deal in history. I have a 7900xtx , I know it was overpriced and will cost less in 6 months, I try to keep an open view and not think everything I do is the perfect choice.
How is that what im doing? I don't have a 4070ti lol, what are you talking about?
You got a 7900xtx and you are here complaining about nvidias prices? ROFLMAA, this is crazy
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the thing is amd fangirls will make statements like "amd is not to be blamed for high prices because they are just following nvidia's lead.. nvidia was the first to signal prices when they unveiled the 4080 12g.. amd is good nvidia bad"
then you start associating the brand with the followers .. er trolls
meanwhile it seems intel is collaborating with nvidia on opacity micro maps
i thought people might be interested
then you start associating the brand with the followers .. er trolls
meanwhile it seems intel is collaborating with nvidia on opacity micro maps
i thought people might be interested
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Nice of you to cherry pick.
Look at RT numbers since you were going on and on about that. Or at RDR2 for instance and others which show below 100fps.
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I posted you the average across all games, you said I cherry picked while you are telling me to go check one specific game. The freaking irony flied past your head didnt it?
What the heck is going on in people's brains, Id really like to know
Regardless, here you go, 70 fps on maxed out RDR2
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Lol you said yourself all games 100 fps before dlss / FSR and you want to disregard where that is not happening or RT altogether after you've putted that on a pedestal.I posted you the average across all games, you said I cherry picked while you are telling me to go check one specific game. The freaking irony flied past your head didnt it?
What the heck is going on in people's brains, Id really like to know
Regardless, here you go, 70 fps on maxed out RDR2
Are you trolling? In order to get 100 fps on average, some games are going to get more, some less. That's what averages are. I also mentioned DLSS FSR in the original post you quoted, so again, what the heck are you talking about? It's fine, you were wrong, get over it.
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