What is it that makes people hate Apple so much?
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Sony are way more guilty of this, to be honest. Just look at the whole PS3 Other OS feature. Though apart from that, in some ways the Xbox seems a lot more locked down system, and who is it that makes the Xbox
My previous Nokia 6600 and SE 880i, which I used for many years were such utter POS devices that you can't blame me for falling for itApple users also tend to misuse the word 'love' a lot. I can understand appreciating quality of design, build, materials, even wanting to try something different for the learning experience.
But to actually 'fall in love' with a phone.
because Android was not in the market yet 
or if it was it was first generation, oh did I forget to mention I'm still carrying the 3g iPhone. Plus the argument is why people hate Apple, what exactly did you accomplish with your comment? maybe you shed some light and I missed it, otherwise your comment is ... well ... redundant
same can be said about the consoles, I mean sheesh
and now there is talk about preventing resale of the game you pay full price for ... whatever next
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I don't know ... tech is just going the wrong way IMO, every company is soooo protective of their tech, and Google taking over Motorola is just a recipe for disaster... but good to slap Apple around a little
or if it was it was first generation, oh did I forget to mention I'm still carrying the 3g iPhone. Plus the argument is why people hate Apple, what exactly did you accomplish with your comment? maybe you shed some light and I missed it, otherwise your comment is ... well ... redundantsame can be said about the consoles, I mean sheesh
and now there is talk about preventing resale of the game you pay full price for ... whatever next
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I don't know ... tech is just going the wrong way IMO, every company is soooo protective of their tech, and Google taking over Motorola is just a recipe for disaster... but good to slap Apple around a little
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That is fine with me. You like your Mac. Ever tried overclocking it or playing games?
I'm sorry but a top end Pc blows a Mac to bits pound 4 pound
Actually, I used to overclock and self build, I got bored and fed up of all that, so I decided to ditch the PC desktop for a Mac desktop.
And actually I do play games on them, funnily enough.
It's a returnee troll account.
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Thanks, first time for everything
But alas, that wasn't my intension.The point I was actually making (or trying to anyway) is that it's down to personal preference, nothing more, nothing less.
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Thanks, but if I wanted to troll, I'd post a rant.
The point I was actually making is that it's down to personal preference, nothing more, nothing less.
I wasn't calling you a troll... (in case that wasn't clear
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@Cleeecooo, I would edit that swarey if I was you.
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I wasn't calling you a troll... (in case that wasn't clear
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I love OSX but I hate apple products. I have chosen my words carefully as I have owned in the past an imag g3, powermac g4 mdd & a g4 powerbook. All 2nd hand but all brilliant and reliable machines with a reliable and seamless OS experience.
However, the style of the products started to wear thin on me and I thought they looked more & more 'panzy' for my liking. I found myself being drawn to bigger and more industrial cases such as the coolermaster atcs 840 before settling on the beast haf x nvidia edition case!
My point is it doesnt really matter wether people love or loathe a company. Its always a few people who have loud voices as most folk wont bother to post 'i love pcs but dont mind apple stuff either'.
This same debate rages in AV circles where you will find me saying 'bose make overpriced poor sounding av equipment but people buy it cos it looks cool'. However not everyone has room for a multichannel power amp hooked upto a high end av processor or the room for massive floorstanders costing 5 grand when the bose cubes look so cute
However, the style of the products started to wear thin on me and I thought they looked more & more 'panzy' for my liking. I found myself being drawn to bigger and more industrial cases such as the coolermaster atcs 840 before settling on the beast haf x nvidia edition case!
My point is it doesnt really matter wether people love or loathe a company. Its always a few people who have loud voices as most folk wont bother to post 'i love pcs but dont mind apple stuff either'.
This same debate rages in AV circles where you will find me saying 'bose make overpriced poor sounding av equipment but people buy it cos it looks cool'. However not everyone has room for a multichannel power amp hooked upto a high end av processor or the room for massive floorstanders costing 5 grand when the bose cubes look so cute
I think the majority of it comes down to ignorance (from both sides of the argument). The usual arguments that I see banded about are:
Anti-Apple:
Pro-Apple:
How any of the above can turn into genocidal warfare is a bit beyond me but I think a lot of it could be resolved with some education and rational thought.
Yes, you can get higher-spec hardware for the same money.
Tech-specs aren't the be-all and end-all of computer ownership for some people.
Yes, there are some things which Apple make it difficult to tinker with in OSX and iOS.
You clearly aren't the target market if you want to play with registry strings to eek out the last drop of performance.
It's true, some software isn't available on a Mac and sometimes the OSX version is worse than the Windows version.
The majority of every-day tasks can be done just as well on either platform. There is also some OSX software that is better than it's PC counter-part.
No, you can't easily play the latest releases on a Mac
While Apple are making headway in the games department, if you're a hardcore gamer then a Mac probably isn't for you.
Some people might by a Mac to fit in with the crowd but not all.
Some people have weighed-up the pros and cons of everything that's on offer and have chosen a Mac.
Yes, there are some fanboys but you get that with most things.
The majority of users wouldn't wash their Macbook in a pool of their own blood if Steve Jobs asked them to.
Yes, most of the time Apple products work well together.
They should, they don't have to account for an infinite number of hardware and software combinations.
Yes, it's obvious that a lot of the money you pay goes into the design and build of their products.
Being pretty isn't the be-all and end-all of computer ownership.
Yes, OSX was superior to Windows Vista
Windows 7 is a huge leap forward and there are even free Linux distros that are starting to catch up in terms of interface design.
While Macs may have been industry standard for designers 20 years ago, it's a complete fallacy to suggest that you can only do design work on a Mac.
The computer you use does not make you a better designer.
Some people might by a Mac to fit in with the crowd but not all.
Some people have weighed-up the pros and cons of everything that's on offer and have chosen a PC.
I used to custom-build PCs but now I prefer to buy off-the-shelf and I like the way Mac does things. That's my choice and these are my opinions.
Anti-Apple:
- Over priced, out-of-date tech
- Not enough customisation
- Limited software
- No gaming
- Fashion accessory
- All Mac users are self-satisfied *****
Pro-Apple:
- It just works
- Design and build quality >*
- OS X >*
- Can only do Graphic Design on a Mac
- Fashion accessory
How any of the above can turn into genocidal warfare is a bit beyond me but I think a lot of it could be resolved with some education and rational thought.
Yes, you can get higher-spec hardware for the same money.
Tech-specs aren't the be-all and end-all of computer ownership for some people.
Yes, there are some things which Apple make it difficult to tinker with in OSX and iOS.
You clearly aren't the target market if you want to play with registry strings to eek out the last drop of performance.
It's true, some software isn't available on a Mac and sometimes the OSX version is worse than the Windows version.
The majority of every-day tasks can be done just as well on either platform. There is also some OSX software that is better than it's PC counter-part.
No, you can't easily play the latest releases on a Mac
While Apple are making headway in the games department, if you're a hardcore gamer then a Mac probably isn't for you.
Some people might by a Mac to fit in with the crowd but not all.
Some people have weighed-up the pros and cons of everything that's on offer and have chosen a Mac.
Yes, there are some fanboys but you get that with most things.
The majority of users wouldn't wash their Macbook in a pool of their own blood if Steve Jobs asked them to.
Yes, most of the time Apple products work well together.
They should, they don't have to account for an infinite number of hardware and software combinations.
Yes, it's obvious that a lot of the money you pay goes into the design and build of their products.
Being pretty isn't the be-all and end-all of computer ownership.
Yes, OSX was superior to Windows Vista
Windows 7 is a huge leap forward and there are even free Linux distros that are starting to catch up in terms of interface design.
While Macs may have been industry standard for designers 20 years ago, it's a complete fallacy to suggest that you can only do design work on a Mac.
The computer you use does not make you a better designer.
Some people might by a Mac to fit in with the crowd but not all.
Some people have weighed-up the pros and cons of everything that's on offer and have chosen a PC.
I used to custom-build PCs but now I prefer to buy off-the-shelf and I like the way Mac does things. That's my choice and these are my opinions.
That bit is complete nonsense. I've used Linux from the late 90s and if anything, the user interfaces have gotten worse. Gnome 3 and KDE 4 are both awful and a step back in terms of design. I mean, when you've got Linus Torvalds asking to fork Gnome 2, you know you've probably made a **** up somewhere.
The problem with Linux interface design is it's designed by engineers not designers. It's inconsistent and fractured. It's one of the major problems with Android on phones. It doesn't feel as complete or as solid as iOS. Aqua is the best *nix GUI I've ever used. And I've used everything from complete DEs to ricing Gentoo installs with tiling window managers and the like. The best thing about it? It's solid and complete. It has annoying usability quirks. But then what GUI doesn't.
Apple? Windows? Andorid?
Yeah yeah yeah, whateve's...
I use windows by day, macbook pro by night and have an android phone
For me windows is more productive (for me at work, at least) (outlook, exchange, autocad, domain network)
OS X is better for my hobbies & leisure (photography, browsing, media etc.)
Have to be honest, was never a mac fan until I had a 2006 black polycarb macbook. I subsequently went and blew a month's salary on a MBP and have loved it ever since. I rarely use windows outside of work now as OS X is more convenient.
Using windows at work is no chore either - I love win 7 in fact.
And I couldn't justify the cost of an iPhone (not because I can't afford one, I have a £1650 MBP ffs) so got a HTC Desire HD instead.
Yeah yeah yeah, whateve's...
I use windows by day, macbook pro by night and have an android phone
For me windows is more productive (for me at work, at least) (outlook, exchange, autocad, domain network)
OS X is better for my hobbies & leisure (photography, browsing, media etc.)
Have to be honest, was never a mac fan until I had a 2006 black polycarb macbook. I subsequently went and blew a month's salary on a MBP and have loved it ever since. I rarely use windows outside of work now as OS X is more convenient.
Using windows at work is no chore either - I love win 7 in fact.
And I couldn't justify the cost of an iPhone (not because I can't afford one, I have a £1650 MBP ffs) so got a HTC Desire HD instead.
Fair enough. I did say starting and I don't use Linux so you're definitely more qualified than me to make that call. I saw the release videos and screenshots of gnome 3 and thought it looked like a step in the right direction. Clearly I was wrong.
It is a bit funny that in a debate about Apple you've said two sentences about how you don't care about the subject and then jumped on a passing comment about Linux.
Out of everything I wrote, that was probably the least significant and yet it's the only thing you acknowledge. Should I just delete that particular clause?
Well said
Thanks.
The only reason I didn't comment on the rest is because it's been covered a billion times before in the Windows Vs OS X debate. Everything you said has already been said a billion times before from both sides.
But the point about Linux is something that's never really discussed except among developers. Not designers. Developers. And that in my opinion is the major problem with the look of Linux. It's devs and not designers dealing with user experience. Guys who spend most of their time writing code and not slapping together interfaces. There's too much choice and everyone thinks their way of doing things is the best. Hence why there's a million and one media players, mail clients, web browsers, none of which all work perfectly and they all cause problems with the consistency of the overall feel of whatever distribution they're on. Too many toolkits. Too many forks. KDE and Gnome in an effort to unify the look they've fractured the usability to a point where people are raging.
There was nothing wrong with the look, feel and usability of KDE 3.x They dropped KDE 4 and it's been a cluster**** since. There was nothing wrong with the look, feel and usability of Gnome 2.x but Gnome 3 has been a KDE 4. In an effort to appeal to users they're throwing features at things and not thinking of how those features are implemented in terms of usability.
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That would be one of my reasons as well. Having spent so long using Linux, I just got to a point where I couldn't be bothered. I mean, when Ubuntu hit the scene, I moved to that because it was less hassle than dealing with Slackware, Gentoo or BSD derivatives. It was a relief to have a Linux distro that I could install and everything would work OOB. Sure, a lot of bloat came with it, but I was willing to take the bloat and uninstall what I didn't need as that took less time than pulling in, compiling and configuring files to get a working OS.