What is it that makes people hate Apple so much?

Robbo said:
I can totally understand someone not wanting a Mac, or iPad, or iPhone.

However, some people absolutely HATE Apple, you would think they were a load of child killing nutters the way some people talk about them. It's absolutely bizarre.

Also, if you try to reason with these people, their reasoning is often totally incorrect and their assumptions are silly and wrong.

What do you think causes it? Other companies certainly don't seem to get peoples backs up like this. Some people speak of Apple with a vehement disgust for everything they do. They're a technology company for goodness sake, relax? :confused:
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Late to the party but Ive seen the responses people have to you on other threads. Its amazing where the large majority of flack comes from especially when they think its the other side that cause the issues...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
And this goes for the anti-Apple idiots too, the ones who've never used OSX or can't understand the price of the equipment.
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I have to admit, as far as the iphone goes I cannot understand where the cost comes from in relation to the ipod touch or even a 3G Ipad.

32gb Ipod touch costs £250
32gb 3g Ipad 2 £579
32gb Iphone 4 £612

I'm not claiming to know all the facts, but I simply do not get what's in a Iphone 4 on top of the latest Ipod touch that warrants an extra £360. I know people on this section of the forum are far more knowledgeable than me on the subject but I can understand why people might look at the devices and call them overpriced.

Again I'm not knowledgeable to the manufacturing costs but looking at the devices and the figures it just doesn't add up to me other than people will pay the price :)

The Imac prices are reasonable enough to me but I'd rather use my own screens. The Mac pro's might be well made but for over 2k with one HDD and one optical drive, come on seriously. £1000 of that price must be in the apple care warranty ;)
 
Enough already you Apple scum. Soon, Steve Jobs will step down, the resulting scramble for the top-job and the unavoidable in-fighting will spell death to your beloved company.

Back to your shiny toys you damn heathens.

Yes, I've been to the pub and supped from the pint glass. And it was good

:D
 
Can't say I've ever used an Apple product but their adverts make them appear smug and arrogant in exactly the same way Marks & Spencers adverts make them appear.

The 'If You Dont Have iPhone - Parody Ad' on YouTube sums up my feelings about Apple tbh.
 
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dannyjo22 said:
I'm not claiming to know all the facts, but I simply do not get what's in a Iphone 4 on top of the latest Ipod touch that warrants an extra £360.
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Taking out the obvious (ie the phone and mobile data) the main differences are the screen and camera. iPhone has an IPS panel, the iPod touch uses a cheaper one with less brightness and worse viewing angles. It's still a retina display. The iPhone camera is 5MP vs less than 1MP in the iPod. Earlier iPod touches were missing a GPS, compass and accelerometers not sure if the latest generation added them in.

If you look at what Apple have managed to shoehorn into such a slim and light device it's astounding. Combination devices are pretty much the holy grail and the iPhone 4 is arguably the easiest to use. The market sorts out prices. If Apple were seriously taking the proverbial with regards to prices they wouldn't be selling, like say the HP OuchPad. That's still not shifting even after a hefty price cut. Best Buy in the US are sitting on an unsold mountain of 250000.
 
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Thanks Magicboy :)

Anywhere have the breakdown of what each device costs to manufacture? I've seen a few places do a breakdown on the costs of the Ps3, anything similar for the iphone and pad?
 
joey1211 said:
Enough already you Apple scum. Soon, Steve Jobs will step down, the resulting scramble for the top-job and the unavoidable in-fighting will spell death to your beloved company.

Back to your shiny toys you damn heathens.

Yes, I've been to the pub and supped from the pint glass. And it was good

:D
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That is very unlikely. Apple did it already in the late 80s - early 90s. It prompted the second coming of Steve who was sporting a lovely poloneck sweater and all was well again.

Getting the urge for a pint now. It's damn expensive living between two pubs...

dannyjo22 said:
Anywhere have the breakdown of what each device costs to manufacture? I've seen a few places do a breakdown on the costs of the Ps3, anything similar for the iphone and pad?
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Now that's a more pertinent question! Dunno offhand. I recall some outfit called iSupply making headlines with some guesses a while back. Try Googling them?
 
ps3ud0 said:
Late to the party but Ive seen the responses people have to you on other threads. Its amazing where the large majority of flack comes from especially when they think its the other side that cause the issues...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Could you rephrase that a bit, I don't quite follow...

:)
 
MrLOL said:
Like you say, its just something that apple store staff are told to do. No doubt by some marketing director somewhere who thinks its cool and makes them "edgy"
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It's not that they're told to. It's that it's just sort of become the way it happens. The staff at these store openings and product launches are every bit as aware as you are that it's completely 100% ridiculous - but they've been up for 14 hours, drunk half their bodyweight in red bull, and they're excited. They're having fun, and stupid behaviour springs from that.

It's a bit of fun.

That's how it was at my store anyway - and a few of the openings I've seen on TV, I've spotted ex-colleagues on there and I know exactly what they're thinking - this is hilarious and LOOK TELLY ARE HERE EVERYONE GO WOO!

So basically.. yes it's ridiculous, yes they know it's ridiculous, but it is fun and it is funny.

Personally never high-fived anyone in an Apple Store. I prefer the low, subtle fist bump.
 
Robbo said:
Could you rephrase that a bit, I don't quite follow...

:)
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It was vague on purpose - lets just say trying to give a balanced opinion seems to infer to quite a few people that you are Apple biased when in fact something doesnt need to be technological cutting edge to be good or a viable alternative.

These forums seem to be far more beseiged by mostly-ignorant Apple haters than mostly-ignorant Apple lovers, which is a shame as both sets are as bad as each other, except the majority of classic Apple lovers are meant to be naive and stupid, while Apple haters dont feel they are either, but normally it can be demonstrated that they are both :p

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
ps3ud0 said:
It was vague on purpose - lets just say trying to give a balanced opinion seems to infer to quite a few people that you are Apple biased when in fact something doesnt need to be technological cutting edge to be good or a viable alternative.

These forums seem to be far more beseiged by mostly-ignorant Apple haters than mostly-ignorant Apple lovers, which is a shame as both sets are as bad as each other, except the majority of classic Apple lovers are meant to be naive and stupid, while Apple haters dont feel they are either, but normally it can be demonstrated that they are both :p

ps3ud0 :cool:
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Ah, okay! Fair enough.
 
Stop reading hype blogs and you'll all be fine ;)

dannyjo22 said:
Anywhere have the breakdown of what each device costs to manufacture? I've seen a few places do a breakdown on the costs of the Ps3, anything similar for the iphone and pad?
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Smartphones (the larger slate format) are scorching hot right now, even Samsung/HTC etc can sell products close to £500. The compete opposite of a loss leader like the PS3 :p

Anyway here's the rundown of Apple's typical profit margins (US market)

iPhone = ~350% (probably higher now)
iPad = ~150%
Macbook Air = ~64%
(For reference most electronic devices like netbooks, ATV etc are closer to 0%)

There's also large gains from internal storage upgrades and accessories, e.g. it costs Apple ~$18 to add 16GB to the iP4 etc.

Those massive figures are why Apple's one of the most valuable companies in the world right now (and fighting everyone else to maintain em)
 
sarge78 said:
Anyway here's the rundown of Apple's typical profit margins (US market)

iPhone = ~350% (probably higher now)
iPad = ~150%
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So If I'm reading this correctly my initial assumptions that the Iphone price is over inflated compared to the other products?

350% profit margin in the US, even more here then, unless it's just the extra VAT and exchange rate.
 
The profit margin on an iPhone is nothing like 350%. The BoM cost is apparently $187 vs. a retail cost is $649. Even if you ignore R&D, distribution and marketing costs, that's a profit margin of 71%.
 
^ Whoops I meant markup not margin (late post). That 2010 $187 figure has probably dropped quite a bit now and R&D is far less for a mature platform?

Either way Apple have rapidly become the largest company in the world* with more money in the bank than America. Has it come from iOS devices or by magic? :D:cool:

dannyjo22 said:
So If I'm reading this correctly my initial assumptions that the Iphone price is over inflated compared to the other products?
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Yep, smartphones in general. If it's popular you'll make a killing (see HTC)

*briefly
 
sarge78 said:
^ Whoops I meant markup not margin (late post). That 2010 $187 figure has probably dropped quite a bit now and R&D is far less for a mature platform?
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Ah, OK. :)

My experience is that R&D costs only increase as a platform gets more complex. You've got a lot of maintenance costs and adding new features becomes more difficult as you have to maintain compatibility with older systems.

I'm sure the size of the team for Windows 8 is much larger than the one for Windows 95. Perhaps the cost per unit does decrease though.
 
Personally I don't really like Apple for a few reasons:

Majority of there products appear to be poor value for money, unless you put a high value on style (which I don't)
The smugness of their adverts as mentioned above.
The restrictiveness of their software.

I think Apple have done a lot of good things, the ipod was amazing, and they have made the tablet format a viable market with the ipad. But mainly for me when I look at most of their products objectively, they are more expensive and more restrictive than other alternatives on the market.
 
It annoys me when people say "I can build a much better PC for half the cost". Better at what though exactly? The iMac and MacBook aren't even marketed as being amazing top end gaming rigs, which is basically what the majority of people say when they mean "better". Anyone remember that guy in a recent lolApple thread where he built a Dell for a few hundred pounds less than an equivalently specced Mac Pro, and then he found out afterward the price didn't include VAT?
 
the 'value for money' thing is often mentioned but what gets forgotten is that fact that the products hold their value far better than the equivalent computers designed to run Windows (happy with that, kylew? :)) and generally have a much longer lifespan. As an example, someone is selling a Mac Pro in MM for around £1200. That model is over three years old and originally cost £1750. There's been no interest and I'm sure it'll end up on eBay and will easily fetch the wanted figure because it's a cracking machine with good spec for the price. I'm only looking to buy a new Mac Pro myself because my old one was destroyed by lightning, otherwise I'd have kept it for another three or four years. There aren't many Windows PCs which are still going strong and performing well with the current OS that are that age.

Certainly when it comes to Apple computers, when one looks deeper, they actually are pretty good value for money despite the higher initial cost. Longer lifespan and better depreciation have to be taken into account.
 
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