What to do with undesirables

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I would allow her kid to come back to her family, since it's fully innocent and shouldn't be in the care of the mother who is grossly unfit to be a mother.

But she joined a terrorist organisation that is worst than National Socialism after getting some of the best education in the world in the school system, she had the freedom of the internet to educate herself further on ISIS which am surely she did and still went ahead and joined them.

I don't believe she was "brainwashed", she wasn't wooed by some guy on the internet, she made a choice to join them and I don't think it needs to be said, that she doesn't regret it, she's now an adult and doesn't feel any remorse even after seeing some guys head in a bucket.

She know about the beheadings and killings and was "OKAY WITH IT" in her own words.

After watching and reading all the interviews with ISIS members, she is full of lies and deceit.

The SDF and their American protectors should take her, it's their responsibility. They should put her in a jail for a good long time. After that, she is free to live anywhere she wants, just not here.

I finish it up, if it wasn't for the Americans protecting the SDF, the SAA and the Russians would had crushed them a long time ago and this girl and everyone with her would had bombed by Syrian or Russian jets and no one would ever know, no one outside of her family would care, we wouldn't even be having this discussion, nothing of value would had been lost.

If she comes here, it will cost us £100,000's if not more keeping a eye on her, giving her a home, benefits and debriefing her, hell no, that's insane.

I would prefer to spend the £100,000's on all the Yazidi women that ISIS raped.

She's a danger to everyone here, she cares about her baby yes, but you should care about your babies.

But here we are.


My sentiments too.
 
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She wants back in to use the NHS for the baby. Rescue the baby from being raised in a cult, tell her to sod off.
Regardless of her affiliation with ISIS, this would be framed by the bleeding-heart lefties as islamophobia.

You can guarantee there would be rioting in the IS-held territory of Bradford if you took her kid away.
 
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I know you arent really looking for a sensible reply but she was a 15 year old school girl when she was groomed by IS.

We rightly dont blame the girls in Rotherham etc for what happened to them so why is it different with her?
The girls groomed in Rotherham were completely innocent victims. This Jihadi Bride was a victim too but then went on to support one the the most vile and evil groups in history actively trying to attack us and, as an adult, has stated that she has no regret.

The analogy is completely wrong.
 
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If they let IS have their "state" and issue passports (before steamrolling them). Then we could have legally washed our hands of anyone who went over there.
 
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If they let IS have their "state" and issue passports (before steamrolling them). Then we could have legally washed our hands of anyone who went over there.

Well, that's the thing really.

IS did self-identify itself as an independent state. (And after all, "Self-identification" is considered a legally valid status these days :p). the fact that we didn't recognize it as such is not relevant.

By leaving the UK to join it IS, I would argue that she (And all the others) effectively legally renounced their UK citizenship (Which is a perfectly legal thing to do) in favour of IS citizenship. (The fact that there was no paperwork involved is also not really relevant. The Law recognizes verbal agreements as long as they are supported by evidence, of which in this case, there is ample)

The fact that IS now no longer exists as a state is not our problem.

Her wish to return to the UK can therefore be seen not as a "UK Citizen wishing to come home" Rather as somebody who renounced their UK citizenship in favour of a different citizenship and now wants to change her mind.

IE although she was a UK citizen, she no longer is and now has to re-apply for citizenship just as if she was any other foreign national.

This means that she would have to meet suitability criteria. Given her past record. She would fail to meet these criteria.

Application for UK citizenship declined!

Her future is not our problem

Whos problem it is is a matter of further debate. But I think the the UK would be able to put a perfectly reasonable, and legally supportable, case for washing our hands of her.
 
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Oh man, that's some reply, even by GD standards

*off to grab a chair and popcorn*


The example is a little wild but fully get what he is saying. If a girl was groomed at a similar age to the point she was to commit a crime for this person then id hope we would offer her help...its a similar situation, just on a bigger scale. I just think there is more to it then simply "don't let her in" etc.

As ive said int he exact same thread that was shut down before...its the lack of remorse which is a concern for me.
 
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The example is a little wild but fully get what he is saying. If a girl was groomed at a similar age to the point she was to commit a crime for this person then id hope we would offer her help...its a similar situation, just on a bigger scale. I just think there is more to it then simply "don't let her in" etc.

As ive said int he exact same thread that was shut down before...its the lack of remorse which is a concern for me.

Her only remorse is she's in a refugee camp now and not in comfort in the UK. If the ISIS lot hadn't been smashed to nothing and there was still the Caliphate, she wouldn't be looking to come back in.
 
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I said it in the other thread, but if she's already brainwashed to believe in ISIS ideologies then there's no reversing it. She'll just be a threat to national security, and we'll have to spend millions on surveillance to ensure she doesn't become a suicide bomber.
 
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I'd personally feel a lot better about letting her back if she had shown some semblance of remorse and apologised.

It seems to me that the idea that she was indoctrinated is predicated on supposition rather than fact. Just because a 15 year child left for that hell hole isn't proof that she hasn't weighed up the cost, not least of leaving her family behind, and left after considered discussion with her two friends. It's nowhere near as automatic as those in support of her repatriation are suggesting.

The other problem I have is that I had previously believed that, upon reaching their new 'home', they were effectively threatened and forced to stay, I now know that isn't the case for her so she has effectively made a conscious choice she was happy with until IS fell apart and that she has made this choice continuously throughout her 16th, 17th and 18th years...

So no I don't believe that our thoughts should focus in any way on how old she was when she left. She made this decision again and again when she was much more mature.
 
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Ms Begum, who has just given birth, said she now wants the UK's forgiveness and supports "some British values".

She told the BBC while it was "wrong" innocent people died in the 2017 Manchester attack, it was "kind of retaliation" for attacks on IS.

It’s OK - she supports some British values!
 
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