When are you going fully electric?

It’s funny seeing all these people out defending China and giving off about the west imposing tariffs. Yet the same people are giving off that the west doesn’t do enough for poor Ukraine. Yet when the west do stuff to curtail belligerence from China (who supply Russia), it’s “but what about my cheap EV”.
 
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Seeing as I've been reading the random number generator on time taken to travel distances at the weekend I did:

320 miles total, total time around 7 hours..... (To be fair this was both motorway journeys and local at destination in traffic etc and has probably measured time when the car has been sitting for whatever reason). Car was full ish (95% when I left). 64Kwh mg4, generally ***** motorway efficiency plus my cruise tends to be set at 68mph limit permitting.

If I were to look only at my motorway journeys (which were btw free of any sort of heavy traffic given I was driving further North from Glasgow) I spent 4 hours 40 mins doing 260ish miles

Charged about 49kwh over 3 stops (only public chargers once I was out and about and stopped when it was convenient to whatever else I was doing) taking just under an hour in total due to a combination of some slow chargers, the state of charge the car was already at and some unusually unreliable Tesla charging.

Cost me around £30 in public charging.

In summary, never bothered to work that stuff out before, won't bother again! 150 miles in two hours south of the border.... interesting take.....
 
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Hawk Tuah said:
Love to see Auto Alex have done a skit on EVs. What a surprise, they bought the two worst EVs in the country and their take away from that experience is, all EV's are XXXX. :rolleyes:
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I enjoy AutoAlex (sometimes) and TDC, but I enjoy them for what they are, a bunch of absolute idiots who spend more money on cars in a year than most people spend in a lifetime.

They are annoyingly spreading the FUD around charging, they went to services that didn't have a proper bank of non-tesla chargers, pointed and said "Look EV ownership is all queueing!", anyone with an EV and half a brain will plan stops where there are more than 2 chargers.
It's a shame because it was a fun, if lopsided, challenge video that actually shows how well that Model S they bought has held up for 460,000miles (i believe it had it's battery replaced, if i am remebering the first video they showed it in)
 
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bigmike20vt said:
about to start my 200 mile road trip now up the M6. I will be stopping for a west Cornwall pasty on the j14/15 services but won't be charging. (TMI??? ;) )
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possibly (slightly) more relevant than. my pasty. I am at Stafford services now after doing 150 miles (took 3hrs fwiw) still have 99 miles range left .... but more importantly I see there are a new bank of grid serve chargers here now. they are not live yet but apparently will be switched on soon. will be a nice supplement to the chargers which are already here
looks like another 9 sockets (6 stalls). not sure if some are chademo tho
 
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bigmike20vt said:
possibly (slightly) more relevant than. my pasty. I am at Stafford services now after doing 150 miles. still have 96 miles range left .... but more importantly I see there are a new bank of grid serve chargers here now. they are not live yet but apparently will be switched on soon. will be a nice supplement to the chargers which are already here
looks like another 9 sockets (6 stalls). not sure if some are chademo tho
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Gridserve are really killing it, I know people like Ionity because you can get money off with Electroverse, but Gridserve is the name that I see everywhere now, stopped off at Reading on my way to Legoland a few months back, didn't need to charge, but did anyway as my 6y.o needed a break, tons of gridserve chargers, no waiting, was excellent.

As a side note Legoland Windsor Hotel carpark has a bank of destination chargers, they don't seem to advertise them well!
 
Charger availability is generally a non issue now unless you are hitting the more remote areas of the country or travelling at times when the rest of the country is trying to do the same however the cost of charging (especially rapid) upsets me greatly given how the price of domestic energy seems to have largely settled now.

As an aside it's baffling how many people seem to opt for a far more expensive, non Tesla charger even on the same site - can only assume they don't check which ones are available on the app.
 
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jpaul said:
each to his own id3's at £15k look interesting, but on a typical weekend trip with a couple of hours of motorway , you'd have to stop for 40mins to dc re-charge.
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why would you need to fully charge?? You just top up if you going more than 3 hours (210miles)

My 58kwh Born will do 80kW even when cold. Peak i've seen is 122kW and soon precondition is irrelevant as the battery will get too hot. Also after 2-3hours of pulling 20-25kW out of the battery it tends to be warm.

Edit, ok reading more, why are you driving 150miles then instantly turning around?
 
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Simon said:
why would you need to fully charge?? You just top up if you going more than 3 hours (210miles)

My 58kwh Born will do 80kW even when cold. Peak i've seen is 122kW and soon precondition is irrelevant as the battery will get too hot. Also after 2-3hours of pulling 20-25kW out of the battery it tends to be warm.

Edit, ok reading more, why are you driving 150miles then instantly turning around?
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This is the problem with people who have never driven an EV and are still stuck in the mindset of, “refuelling means drive into a forecourt and manually top up”. The closet analogy to that is driving in to a services and plugging in to a rapid DC charger while you wait.

Anyone who has driven an EV for a while knows that for day trips outside your 100% SoC range, you use a destination charger and NOT a rapid DC. You plug in and come back a few hours later with an extra 50 - 100 miles of range. EV and weather dependent of course.

If you do need to rapid charge you get to the mindset of adding as much as you need rather than the olde ICE mindset of “fill it to the brim”.
 
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This is the problem with people who have never driven an EV and are still stuck in the mindset of, “refuelling means drive into a forecourt and manually top up”. The closet analogy to that is driving in to a services and plugging in to a rapid DC charger while you wait.
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It depends what you do in your spare time - yes if you have young children who need to stop regularly, but if at the weekend you want to get away, even just for a day,
for 150 miles round trip without destination charging, or head out at 6:30am up north(aforementioned stanage) couple of hours there and couple hours back at the end of the day,
ideally with a couple of drivers, you don't want to spend 40minutes twiddling your thumbs somewhere ; that destination is in middle of nowhere w/o chargers;
you've taken food with you and don't stop for some fast food.
 
Yes yes, your made up scenario where 150 mile drives take only a couple of hours on UK roads and people are tag team driving to avoid having to stop for 20 minutes on a 300 mile day trip to the remotest places in the UK where no destination chargers could ever exist.

At this point all the regular posters here know your MO.
 
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It depends what you do in your spare time - yes if you have young children who need to stop regularly, but if at the weekend you want to get away, even just for a day,
for 150 miles round trip without destination charging, or head out at 6:30am up north(aforementioned stanage) couple of hours there and couple hours back at the end of the day,
ideally with a couple of drivers, you don't want to spend 40minutes twiddling your thumbs somewhere ; that destination is in middle of nowhere w/o chargers;
you've taken food with you and don't stop for some fast food.
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I literally and doing 156 miles today, with no destination charger at the other end (as I'll becoming back almost immediately) in my 'rubbish' Ioniq, does 200 miles real world in this sort of weather, trip will be a small part motorway, with the rest A roads and some minor/town roads. If Google is right it is going to take me 3h 21mins to get there, there is no way I am doing that with out a small break even just for me knee's or the toilet, if I take a flask of Tea with me I'll still want to stop, and weirdly I'll also need to stop to eat the food I am taking with me as I don't like to drive and eat at the same time. I am sure most just shove a sandwich down their neck while doing 85mph in the outside lane though.
My car is stupid ass slow at charging, at I get a peak of 47kW for a tiny part of the battery and I'll need to add 50% of the pack at least to do my trip, so I am going to be stopped for ~30-35mins in total, but I can guarantee it will end up being longer, as in at least one of the two stops I'll make (one in either direction) there'll be something that holds me up unrelated to the car.

If I was in pretty much any other modern BEV car, I'd either have more range, or much faster charging, so you'd be looking at one stop for 10 mins max, if you cannot cope with that then why do you even bother posting. You are what I can part of the 0.1% crew, people who need a car to be perfect for 0.1% of their total trips, otherwise it is labelled as rubbish/pointless/a chore/ backward etc.

Answer this one question, WHY DO YOU KEEP POSTING IN HERE? If you can't/don't answer it we'll know you are trolling and you'll get a thread ban. Whoop.
 
Hawk Tuah said:
Love to see Auto Alex have done a skit on EVs. What a surprise, they bought the two worst EVs in the country and their take away from that experience is, all EV's are XXXX. :rolleyes:
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I thought it was hilarious. Especially that old chap moaning about his EV and his face when Alex said he had 30 miles range. Plus all those people queueing up for a charger.

I also understand that it was all most likely scripted and designed to trigger people but it just shows how dumb the general public is.
 
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Love to see Auto Alex have done a skit on EVs. What a surprise, they bought the two worst EVs in the country and their take away from that experience is, all EV's are XXXX. :rolleyes:
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Just watched this vid and have to agree. Generally quite like the channel for a bit of automotive dicking around, but this was just click bait nonsense. Buy a cheap old EV with almost obsolete charging tech, do a challenge involving driving massive ranges, then act surprised when it doesn't work out. Wasn't even consistent in the message, given that one of the cars was a 500k mile Tesla and seemed in pretty fine fettle. Predictable comments section too, full of people who get all their opinions from Jeremy Clarkson. EVs have their challenges, but this prevalent "EVs won't work for me and my circumstances, so they are universally ****t" attitude is a bit tiresome and silly to hear over and over.
 
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It depends what you do in your spare time - yes if you have young children who need to stop regularly, but if at the weekend you want to get away, even just for a day,
for 150 miles round trip without destination charging, or head out at 6:30am up north(aforementioned stanage) couple of hours there and couple hours back at the end of the day,
ideally with a couple of drivers, you don't want to spend 40minutes twiddling your thumbs somewhere ; that destination is in middle of nowhere w/o chargers;
you've taken food with you and don't stop for some fast food.
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A 7kW will do 30mins per hour where ever you park for this day trip. A rapid charger will do 60kW average. 1kWh - 1min no problem. So your 300mile trip will need 25mins for 100miles or 3 hours on a 7kW. Depends which is easier

You are then ignoring the fact you never need to go to a public charger for your daily driving and you’ll save at least 10mins each time versus filling up a car (driving there waiting paying etc ).

So overall you are probably saving time. And obviously a lot of money !

But again you talk from experience EV users from YouTube videos and ignore the experience of EV users here.

Update on mine. Born 21k miles,2yrs. Just had two rear tyres. They put on Michelin e Primacy to replace the Contiseal 6. Included in SS so very much a drop off and collect with new tyres fitted for free kind of transaction. Easy
 
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Id be interested to hear if the Michelin are much different to the continental's once they've bedded in, mine has premium contact C all round and they're very average at best in the wet. Also wearing pretty quickly on the rear, 9kish on the car and I expect they'll need changed in the next 3-4k miles or so.

Company car though so again zero issue for me
 
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No preconditioning no heatpump for my 58kWh Born (ie. An ID3)

It’s a 16 min stop on the way home. Imagine how much quicker it would be with preconditioning :cry:




edit: there's an alternative route via a Tesla SC that is a 12 min stop lol
 
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