When the Gpu's prices will go down ?

CuriousTomCat · 15 Oct 2022 at 14:20

Mint8 said:
I have during the last couple of years "discovered" console gaming and have to say I have really enjoyed it.

Just cant find the enthusiasm now to spend the now ridiculous levels of money needed for a new build even though I probably need one. Have realised (with shock) I do most of my gaming now on console rather than PC - which I tend to use for the smaller indie games that dont need the likes of a 3080 to run anyway.

I recently discovered console gaming as well because of the exclusives like The Last of Us Part II which I'm currently playing. It's an amazing game and looks beautiful on a 50 inch TV. The only problem is an idiot optimised it for a controller so I have to use an adaptor to emulate keyboard/mouse. This makes aiming very janky and can never replace a pc where I do most of my gaming.

gpuerrilla · 16 Oct 2022 at 15:34

Murphy said:
It seems you didn't read what i said...

Murphy said:
Considering you don't seem to understand what's being discussed it's sort of hard to disagree.

Murphy said:
Yea, nah you don't. I've literally pointed out to you on multiple occasions now...because like i said you've had this pointed out to you on multiple occasions now.

Or is it that you're just one of those weirdo's who doesn't have the emotional maturity to admit to a mistake and would rather embarrass themselves by digging ever deeper.

Yes. This.

Murphy said:
..i best not hold my breath though as i suspect you've just thrown that dead cat on the table because you're not capable of addressing the actually points i raised with you, like the last 3-4 times that you failed.

Once again another forum user highlights the same things to the same individual! :cry:

On a few ignore lists for a reason, but we all cant be wrong.

gpuerrilla · 16 Oct 2022 at 15:42

CuriousTomCat said:
Game development, GPU development, and CPU development have always progressed at the same speed. This is because game developers optimise for components that people have in their PC to guarantee their games are playable.

For example, game developers didn't optimise for more than 4 CPU cores until people actually had more than 4 CPU cores.

When stagnation happens in CPU or GPU, game developers hold back in that area of game development. Ergo, game developers held back and used lower quality textures (than they otherwise would have) to ensure that 10Gb was enough. The 3080 could have had 8Gb VRAM and it still would have been enough because game developers would have held back even more to ensure their games didn't exceed the 8Gb.

So to say 10Gb is enough is nonsensical because game developers would have targeted whatever arbitrary amount of VRAM it had to ensure it was enough.

Now that the 4080 has 16Gb, I guarantee that game developers will ensure that 16Gb is enough.

There was a couple of dedicated threads for this debate. Apart from a few open minded ones, the only people dying on the hardware hill seem to be the ones who own an original spec 3080. Even a few deniers ended up purchasing a Ti in the end. If the regular 3080 was so perfect then this would have been bought again (which they didn't).

Stanners · 16 Oct 2022 at 15:48

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Purgatory · 17 Oct 2022 at 21:30

von Humboldt said:

I raise your muppet show song to this one after the recent events:-

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582103937393360897

GPU prices are going to be doomed and energy bills thanks to this government... Good luck all, April 2023 next year this government has an April fools day joke ready early for all of us.... :rolleyes:

Purgatory · 20 Oct 2022 at 19:47

Purgatory said:
Regarding the topic of gpu prices coming down well doesn't look that way when the top end consoles we have now are getting the latest AAA games at 30fps locked.

5 days before release they announce the 30fps lock ....^ Now you know why you don't pre-order anything without knowing what you are paying for.

Maybe they should have used Nvidia Gpus to get DLSS 3 frame generation to get up to 60fps fake frames and even worst quality. @Nexus18

Then all that said a ps5 pro and a pro X series is not needed .... Proving the industry will always find a reason for faster hardware and more ways to charge you more for it, so all complaining about gpu prices as I am, welcome to the new world and how low this industry has sank.

Again will say it again vote with your wallets so they get the reality of what customers think. Keep paying for subpar you will keep getting even more subpar goods as a thank you.

Trending on twitter 30 FPS.. https://twitter.com/search?q=30fps&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

Their 30fps fixed mode was a lie too it seems, it even drops to 20fps on the series X and the game looks rubbish and nothing special in game design and anything next gen. So no idea why it has such poor performance quality that even a 7 year old game they compare it to looks better to me.

robbw77 · 21 Oct 2022 at 13:38

So RTX 3080s wont dip below........... £670? Ever?

Empire24453 · 21 Oct 2022 at 13:45

not even on sales price in the last day of November - Well seems that it's no point then getting hold of the 4080 I say people with things going with the 3000 series right

Purgatory · 21 Oct 2022 at 14:16

robbw77 said:
So RTX 3080s wont dip below........... £670? Ever?

Doubt it and once the 4080 16GB is out and its performance reviews then watch how quickly the remaining 30 series sells out. It's all part of the master plan.

gpuerrilla · 21 Oct 2022 at 14:33

Purgatory said:
Doubt it and once the 4080 16GB is out and its performance reviews then watch how quickly the remaining 30 series sells out. It's all part of the master plan.

ninjag · 21 Oct 2022 at 16:00

GAC · 22 Oct 2022 at 15:12

so them price drops. wonder where they went.

muon · 22 Oct 2022 at 15:20

GAC said:
so them price drops. wonder where they went.

Credit to nvidia. Their plan sort of worked. We shall see how quickly they shift inventory.

Nvidia banks $1.32b inventory charge as PC market slows

Gaming product sell-through projection declines but datacenter division sales soar

www.theregister.com

Nvidia's $1.4 billion GPU shortfall is great news for PC gamers

Nvidia unexpectedly said Monday that it will report lower revenues on the back of unexpectedly poor demand for PC gaming GPUs. It's likely that lower GPU prices are en route.

www.pcworld.com

They also weren't able to cancel their TSMC orders, so they will have loads of Ada chips piling up which they will try sell at >$1200.

Tetras · 22 Oct 2022 at 15:33

muon said:
They also weren't able to cancel their TSMC orders, so they will have loads of Ada chips piling up which they will try sell at >$1200.

oops. Wonder if that will lead to the lower end cards arriving sooner, if they need to repackage them for higher volumes.

Purgatory · 22 Oct 2022 at 16:11

Tetras said:
oops. Wonder if that will lead to the lower end cards arriving sooner, if they need to repackage them for higher volumes.

These were all August 2022 Articles, the slow down also happened because people were waiting for 40 series.

The articles are pointless now for what will happen as people that waited and decided 40 series is not for them are buying 30 series now that are easy to get hold of at more sensible prices than before, but as the 40 series was released people thought prices of 30 series and AMD 6000 series would come down but reality the opposite has happened prices have gone up.

Examples are easy to see on the OCUK store :-

6950xt Was £800 lowest here before and now £900.

AMD Radeon 6950 XT MBA 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card

Order AMD Radeon 6950 XT MBA 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card now online and benefit from fast delivery.

www.overclockers.co.uk

3090tis only budget model left for £1200 and again two budget models 3090s also at £1200:-

Inno3D GeForce RTX 3090 Ti X3 OC 24GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card

Order Inno3D GeForce RTX 3090 Ti X3 OC 24GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card now online and benefit from fast delivery.

www.overclockers.co.uk

Inno3D GeForce RTX 3090 Gaming X3 24GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card

Order Inno3D GeForce RTX 3090 Gaming X3 24GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card now online and benefit from fast delivery.

www.overclockers.co.uk

Zotac GeForce RTX 3090 Trinity OC 24GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card

Order Zotac GeForce RTX 3090 Trinity OC 24GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card now online and benefit from fast delivery.

www.overclockers.co.uk

If you check other retailers for these same 6950xt, 3090ti and 3090 they are more and some 3090 models are even £1740 and some refurbished 3090s are £1200 and 3090ti refurbished £1200.. 6950xt cheapest I see right now anywhere but not including postage is £870 but have seen it bounce up to £900+ too. Basically all gone up since the last price drops.

Then cheapest 3090 and 3090ti AIB models at moment are £1200 new or a refurbished ones at £1200 or silly prices of anywhere from £1500 to £1740 for a new 3090 right now for an AIB model or Nvidia store 3090ti FE £1150.

These are for the top cards from Nvidia and AMD, the ones below are all over MSRP still or at same prices they came out lower down the stack , eg 3080ti £930 starting price, 3080 12GB £890, 3080 10GB £760.. and lower down all AIBS above the msrp for FE of course..

Prices are still either bouncing up or coming back down to about £20-50 less on deal days at some retailers but not seeing these so called deals anymore too. So looking like they will all sell out before another price drop now and probably go up as stocks get less and less for them.

4080 16GB is not going to be our saviour either at the £1269 msrp and we all know AIB models will be more. Also yet to wait from AMD 7000 series but things are not looking good and prices probably just as high.

gpuerrilla · 22 Oct 2022 at 16:19

Its not like we didnt mention this before and as it unfolded! :cry:

AthlonXP1800 · 22 Oct 2022 at 17:20

muon said:
They also weren't able to cancel their TSMC orders, so they will have loads of Ada chips piling up which they will try sell at >$1200.

Nvidia can cancel TSMC orders if demand fell. Looked at both Apple and AMD cancelled TSMC orders to cut down iPhone 14 and Zen 4 productions when demand fell.

iPhone 14 Plus production halted, Apple to reassess demand, iPhone 15 Plus still planned - 9to5Mac

iPhone 14 Plus should be a hit product by all accounts. It’s the lowest-priced big screen iPhone that Apple has...

9to5mac.com

AMD Cuts Down Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Production As Demand Drops Like a Rock

AMD reportedly scaled down production of its Ryzen 7000 series desktop processors in response to bleak demand across the PC hardware industry. Wccftech claims to have read an internal company document calling for reduced supply to the channel as market response to the Ryzen 7000-series is weak...

www.techpowerup.com

muon · 22 Oct 2022 at 17:24

AthlonXP1800 said:
Nvidia can cancel TSMC orders if demand fell. Looked at both Apple and AMD cancelled TSMC orders to cut down iPhone 14 and Zen 4 productions when demand fell.

iPhone 14 Plus production halted, Apple to reassess demand, iPhone 15 Plus still planned - 9to5Mac

iPhone 14 Plus should be a hit product by all accounts. It’s the lowest-priced big screen iPhone that Apple has...

9to5mac.com

AMD Cuts Down Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Production As Demand Drops Like a Rock

AMD reportedly scaled down production of its Ryzen 7000 series desktop processors in response to bleak demand across the PC hardware industry. Wccftech claims to have read an internal company document calling for reduced supply to the channel as market response to the Ryzen 7000-series is weak...

www.techpowerup.com

AMD and Apple are different though. They have massive orders and a longstanding relationship with TSMC. AMD can also move production to other products. Nvidia ditched TSMC last generation, and made sure to buy up as much as they could this generation.

Whilst not confirmed, Nvidia were told, going by news articles, they must replace the orders they made with someone else.

mikeo · 22 Oct 2022 at 17:45

Personally don't think we will see much lower prices on 30 series cards.
And the 40 series (at least the 4090/80) are way out of my price range.
Hence why I decided to pick up an Asus 3080 TUF for a not too bad price. Great little card, more than happy with it.
It will happily see me OK for 1440 for a couple of years. Come to that, my 1080 TI was still managing pretty well at that resolution.
No pockets in a shroud

Purgatory · 22 Oct 2022 at 17:48

mikeo said:
Personally don't think we will see much lower prices on 30 series cards.
And the 40 series (at least the 4090/80) are way out of my price range.
Hence why I decided to pick up an Asus 3080 TUF for a not too bad price. Great little card, more than happy with it.
It will happily see me OK for 1440 for a couple of years. Come to that, my 1080 TI was still managing pretty well at that resolution.
No pockets in a shroud

First time I heard a 3080 TUF called little :cry:

, some of the biggest gpus ever.