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When the Gpu's prices will go down ?
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Seriously don't, give them at least a few months with the drivers.
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Well, they can sit on shelves, my money will sit in my bank account.
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Sorry but the in era of never-ending corporate greed blaming the consumer doesn't work for me, I suppose if people keep buying food and turning the heating then they're too blame for the insane prices of food and energy too?
People aren't the problem, an out of control financial cult IS. You may say "well food and enegry are neccesities", and you're right they are - if so, where is the Govt in all this? - Oh that's right, they're owned by and work for, the interests of the city and the corporations/big business.
There will always be some people who can easily afford, or will go heavily into debt to fund the latest and greatest tech, but they're not representative of the whole consumer market, if people are getting pricedd out of a once "reasonably" affordable hobby, like PC gaming then that's not a people problem that's a pricing and corpo greed problem.
This is not a people problem - AT ALL. Universal capitalist uber-greed culture is NOT a people problem, and therefore neither is the obscene GPU market. The whole idea that people are problem with insane pricing is victim-blaming.
The proof is right in front of us, stacks and stacks of stale 2 year old cards (and longer) sat on shelves because of corpo greed, and price-fixing by NV and AMD to ensure the continuation of insane pricing...
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Capitalism has worked better than anything else *because* of human nature. It leverages it rather than ignore / deny it they way other systems do.
Everyone wants to get the most they can for the least amount of effort / expense. Both sellers and buyers have different ideas of what a "good" price is for x item and the free market is where those differences are reconciled.
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There's capitalism and then there's what we're seeing now, and it will only get worse unless it is controlled. It is simplistic just to assert "capitalism has worked better than anything else", because that does not adress its absuses.
Not disagreeing with it being better, or worst except for all the other that have been tried, however what we have in the GPU market is not capitalism. One, if not the, key tenant of capitalism is competitive markets and we don't really have that, at best it's a duopoly so i wouldn't exactly call that a competitive market.
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Without getting tied up in defintions, a clear failing of capitalism is that it was supposed to bring competition markets leading to better prices and services for consumers, it's done the opposite in fact, where competition has largely been eliminated in many sectors, and cabals have formed (energy is a classic example), this was always going to happen as the system itself promotes predatory behaviour. It was always a fantasy.
However, we are seeing extreme capitalism, anti-consumer practices and excessive greed in GPU's - so although the GPU market doesn't precisely fit a thereotical model of capitalist market, its behavious are the same. This market is really just capitalism working as it was always going to, elimination of competition leading to exploitation of the consumer via market dominance.
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Bottom line, there isnt enough competition in the gpu market. AMD stopped offering lower prices and instead prefers to offer "10-15% better performance" at the same price level.
How much would cars cost if the only manufactures in world were Ford and BMW.
retailers have no reason to drop gpu prices right now. even when a new batch of Nvidia and AMD cards hit in few months I bet 3000 series cards will STILL stay at same prices. the new gpus will just be priced higher.
How much would cars cost if the only manufactures in world were Ford and BMW.
retailers have no reason to drop gpu prices right now. even when a new batch of Nvidia and AMD cards hit in few months I bet 3000 series cards will STILL stay at same prices. the new gpus will just be priced higher.
And the key tenet of communism is that everything is owned by and controlled by the people. That doesn't happen in reality either. In reality, neither approach is anything like what those advocating it portray it as being. Both are excellent for a tiny elite that has power and awful for almost everyone. See, for example, living conditions for most people in the "developed world" (i.e. under capitalism) in the 19th century. Things only became better when some degree of socialism was imposed by force by governments.
The key tenet of capitalism is private ownership of everything. Competitive markets aren't "one, if not the, key tenet of capitalism." Competitive markets are a side effect of no person or organisation yet managing to achieve a monopoly in that market. Monopoly is the desired outcome of capitalism because it's the most efficient way to exploit the market for the profit and power of the owners.
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In Asia I can pick up a 3080 for £350, in the US $400. UK it's £700.
"Retailers" and AIB's are dropping prices because they have stock and no demand, just not in the UK presumably because people are still buying cards in the UK at those prices.
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or they are paying too much from the wholesaler..
US$400 is ~UK£335. Add VAT and that's about £400. Or ~£420 from where you are in Asia. Shipping costs from either location would be far less than £300. So it would be far cheaper to buy from either location and have it shipped here.
What's stopping an enterprising little business venture doing that? Buy where you are, ship to UK, undercut current UK pricing by 25% and still make ~£105 profit (~25% profit margin) per card sold.
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Equally you could contact AIB's directly and cut another step in the chain out and make even more, as the price here includes import and vat aswell.
The fact that these cards are sitting on shelves world wide though makes me think this would be a pretty high risk venture with a very limited window of opportunity.
Import tax... Thank Brexit.
What AIBs sell directly to the consumer?
Except you can't as all EOL and no stock.
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Ocuk have 7 models of 3080 in stock, the shop near me has 12 different models in stock, 9 of which are under £400
I asked and they said the AIB's are supporting this price because they still have a significant amount of stock to shift
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