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When the Gpu's prices will go down ?

Twinz said:
If I were Taiwan, I would want to ensure that the most cutting-edge nodes were produced exclusively in Taiwan.

If the US could get the tech elsewhere, we may be less inclined to defend Taiwan from China.
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As part of the One China Policy which we signed 50 years ago,we technically don't even recognise Taiwan or have formal diplomatic relations. We also acknowledge Chinese claims:

The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means. We continue to have an abiding interest in peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait. Consistent with the Taiwan Relations Act, the United States makes available defense articles and services as necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capability -– and maintains our capacity to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of Taiwan.
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The UK Government says the dispute between Taiwan and the People’s Republic of China should be resolved “through dialogue, in line with the views of the people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait”. It has no plans to recognise Taiwan as a state. The UK does support Taiwan’s participation in international organisations as an observer.
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www.eeas.europa.eu

The European Union and Taiwan

An overview of the bilateral relations between the EU and Taiwan
www.eeas.europa.eu www.eeas.europa.eu

While the EU pursues its “One China” policy and recognises the government of the People’s Republic of China as the sole legal government of China, the EU and Taiwan have developed solid relations and close cooperation in a wide range of areas.
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Only 12 countries in the world recognise Taiwan and have formal diplomatic links:
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Countries That Recognize Taiwan 2023 - Wisevoter

While Taiwan asserts its sovereignty as an independent nation, it faces significant obstacles in obtaining broad international recognition. Only a handful of countries officially recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state. These countries include Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Marshall Islands, Nauru...
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1. Belize
2. Guatemala
3. Haiti
4. Marshall Islands
5. Nauru
6. Palau
7. Paraguay
8. Saint Kitts and Nevis
9. Saint Lucia
10. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
11. Tuvalu
12. Vatican City

If we actually cared so much about Taiwan,then we would have not switched sides 50 years ago and moved so much of our manufacturing to China or still do trillions of USD of trade each year with China. The reality is that the CPC never changed it's policy WRT to Taiwan from 1949 and as their economy grew,so would the qualitative and quantitative edge their military would have as well as their economic tools too. We enabled all of this!

China only became a "problem" when they went from a source of cheap,disposable labour to actually competing with us in many areas,ie,we make less money.

As usual despite all the posturing about democracy,human rights,etc money talks.

In the end Europe having it's own fabs is important,because we can't always be depending on exporting all our production abroad. If anything Europe needs to have far more independence in chip design and manufacturing because be it the US,China or any large country they can use it against us. Just look at Trump putting trade limitations on Europe just because we didn't give into US trade demands.
 
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Nexus18 said:
Well ada has a lot more % and looks to be doing ok given ampere etc. stats so maybe to nvidia, not that much of a failure? No idea what nvidia would consider it to be...... Ada didn't suit my needs so for me it was a failure and the 4080s is a much better buy but alas, too late in the game now so also a failure for me and rdna 3 is more of a faliure for me. I think it is safe to say amd would classify rdna 3 as being a failure from their POV.
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Considering they cancelled the chiplet design for RDNA 4 and are now moving to midrange only, its virtually certain they thought the product failed.
 
Harlequin said:
Its AI to blame now , mining ended 2 years ago
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Maybe in the high end, but not in the mid and rapidly disappearing low end.
Post mining it has been manufacturer greed with any attempt to keep prices as inflated as possible by any means necessary. Once they got a misguided taste of what us consumers were willing to pay in extreme circumstances during the pandemic there was no looking back. They are doing this primarily by uptiering GPUs into the next gen model tier along with associated increased costs.
I'd also add that having premium cards such as XT models when no 'standard' exists is just a marketing attempt to justify paying more for what is the standard model as with AMD's 7700 and 7800 cards. In comparison the 7900 GRE seems fairly priced in relation to the rest even if it has a stupid name when it should have been the 7800XT.
Good value Nvidia cards have not been a thing since the GTX GPUs due to enforced obsolescence at anything below high/halo tier, which are the polar opposite of what is considered affordable.
Intel cards currently seem good value only because of their shortcomings in relation to the competition. I'm sure once they are a few gens in and have the gremlins worked out they will also skyrocket pricing, afterall this is Intel. That is if they don't just cut and run on the GPU side if significant headway is not made either on market share and/or profitability.
 
Harlequin said:
And so it begins:

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NVIDIA hikes price of entry-level RTX 4060, RTX 3050, GTX 1650 by 10% with AIBs to benefit

NVIDIA reportedly increases its GPU pricing for GeForce gaming graphics cards by 10%, hitting the popular RTX 4060, RTX 3060, and GTX 1650 series.
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So even less reason to buy them in the UK. That would make the RTX4060 start at £320ish because it's RRP is £290. A few weeks ago a mate got an RX6750XT 12GB for £300 - they got in at the right time IMHO!
 
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Twinz said:
Isn't there a point down Nvidia's stack where the cards are not strong enough to make good use of RT, at which point they have to compete with better+cheaper options from AMD?
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Not sure they care much, Nvidia isn't really a manufacturer of graphic cards for gaming any more. They seem to be hedging their bets so if AI goes pop they have something to fall back on.
 
Twinz said:
Isn't there a point down Nvidia's stack where the cards are not strong enough to make good use of RT, at which point they have to compete with better+cheaper options from AMD?
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Mentioned this since the Turing release. Recommendations for the 2060 over alternatives at the time as it "had RT" was the marketing mindshare at play. Will be some unicorn moments where it would be useable but if your into this level the entry tiers are just not going to cut it.
 
Twinz said:
Isn't there a point down Nvidia's stack where the cards are not strong enough to make good use of RT, at which point they have to compete with better+cheaper options from AMD?
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Depends entirely on the game, your res., the rt effects, what you want in terms of FPS and so on. If you're using likes of 3060/4060, chances are you are gaming at 1080p or 1440p which these gpus are capable of RT, although again, it depends entirely on the rt in the game. People seem to just assume that any game with "RT" is going to run like AW 2, cp 2077 PT :cry: Even though as evidenced, this is not the case. Computerbase updated their recommendation guide and their RT test is using a small sample of games, some with and without upscaling, most of them titles are the hardest hitting in terms of RT cost (well not even RT cost but they just run like **** regardless e.g. forza, star wars and hogwarts):

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What we need to see more of is titles like avatar, metro ee where the optimisation is done so well to cater to all gpus. Arguably even the hardest PT/RT titles like AW 2 and CP 2077 also run extremely well given the level of visuals on display and how intense the RT is, of course a 20xx, 3060 and 4060 is not going to be capable of running them kind of games maxed out.....
 
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Jensen said ages ago that average selling price should be the same as the consoles so essentially he wants people to pay consoles prices for a console experience, you want more than a console experience you pay more.
 
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