Where did the paranormal go?

Illuminist said:
I used to be a satanist about 20 years ago, not ashamed to say now.
I saw things that couldn't be explained by science, corroborated by other witnesses sometimes, sometimes i was alone.
But will anyone in this world believe me? No.
This is what's changed, information and ridicule overload. School peer pressure has turned into world wide Internet and social media ridicule and peer pressure.
Awaiting torrent of laughing.....
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Sorry to hear you got involved in that.

Are you properly free from it now?

Out of I interest, what made you go to Satan rather than towards Christ?
 
I suspect there's a lot to do with how easy it is to fake things these days, we've become so used to the idea that unless we've seen it "in the flesh" then its probably fake.

Of course seeing with your own eyes doesnt prove anything either, conjourers have been using our fallibility to make a living for centuries.

Plus these days kids are inside playing xbox rather than snooping around old abandoned buildings.

I've done a bit of "ghost hunting" in my time, it was fun in its own way, but i never experienced anything that couldnt rationally be explained.
 
something daft already!! said:
Ghosts and spooks etc are in the past because they are a load of crap. Now we can all have a camera on us at all times one would expect a huge influx of paranormal stuff if it were true, which it isn't. Sure there is stuff we cannot explain, does not mean it is supernatural. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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Scrutinize said:
Sorry to hear you got involved in that.

Are you properly free from it now?

Out of I interest, what made you go to Satan rather than towards Christ?
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Free yes, realised there's more to reality than the physical and scientific.
Went to it because I felt let down by everything and wanted some payback, felt like I never need be scared anymore because the bad things were on my side, or me on theirs. Used it to cause harm, paid for it early, saw many many things, got kicked out of a shared house as things stated happening to people, only after kicking me out did they find in my boxes the satanic stuff and realise why it had all stopped. Saw entities, that saw me several times and left me literally crawling on my hands and knees to get home. I have stories that would facinate.
I got out of it all because I realised it was real. Completely real. It's why there is still rumours of high ups practising forms of it, I tend to believe its an overlapping reality over our own, but I realise this won't wash here.
 
Illuminist said:
Its always people like you that have closed off any possibility, that will not, and have never experienced anything.
I miss Trevor and Simon days
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Well, if the only people who experience things are the people who believed in those things to start with... then... confirmation bias?

I suppose you could argue that the other way around too. But unexplained things are just unexplained to those who don't believe. The assumption is that such things are not paranormal but can remain as unexplained until such a time as they become explained.

However... to date none of the formerly unexplained things have been confirmed to be paranormal have they? They've just been explained, or remain unexplained :p

That isn't to say that I personally discount the idea of non-physical forms of life. I don't believe in ghosts tho. But I'm open to the possibility of astral beings.
 
FoxEye said:
Well, if the only people who experience things are the people who believed in those things to start with... then... confirmation bias?

I suppose you could argue that the other way around too. But unexplained things are just unexplained to those who don't believe. The assumption is that such things are not paranormal but can remain as unexplained until such a time as they become explained.

However... to date none of the formerly unexplained things have been confirmed to be paranormal have they? They've just been explained, or remain unexplained :p

That isn't to say that I personally discount the idea of non-physical forms of life. I don't believe in ghosts tho. But I'm open to the possibility of astral beings.
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Extra dimentional non biological entities?
 
Illuminist said:
got kicked out of a shared house as things stated happening to people, only after kicking me out did they find in my boxes the satanic stuff and realise why it had all stopped
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so, you got kicked out but left all your stuff there, they then went through it (how did you know if you'd been kicked out?) and immediately identified all the gubbins as Satanic stuff and then realised why everything had stopped (how do you know if you'd been kicked out? how do you know they realised if you were kicked out?). sounds legit, as the cool kids say. so either apparently you were using the Satanic stuff to do bad things to them, or the mere presence of the Satanic stuff just caused it to happen, but only when you were there, is that right?

Illuminist said:
I got out of it all because I realised it was real. Completely real.
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real to you.
 
FoxEye said:
Well, if the only people who experience things are the people who believed in those things to start with... then... confirmation bias?

I suppose you could argue that the other way around too. But unexplained things are just unexplained to those who don't believe. The assumption is that such things are not paranormal but can remain as unexplained until such a time as they become explained.

However... to date none of the formerly unexplained things have been confirmed to be paranormal have they? They've just been explained, or remain unexplained :p

That isn't to say that I personally discount the idea of non-physical forms of life. I don't believe in ghosts tho. But I'm open to the possibility of astral beings.
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By remaining unexplained they are by their very definition paranormal. That's the bit so many people seem to forget. Paranormal investigation isn't about saying omg, look, we have proof of x y or z. It's more about saying 'this doesn't fit in to easily or scientifically explainable norms'.
 
I can understand women believing in the paranormal because most of them believe any crap: seances, astrology, God, psychic readings, Love Island and so on but I just don't get it when blokes believe in this stuff, it's like they have a special gene that women have.
 
something daft already!! said:
What tosh lol, unexplained means unexplained. NOT paranormal. My headphones broke yesterday, it's unexplained why but I'm guessing it isn't supernatural whatever that is.
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Where did I mention supernatural? I bet their breakage could be easily explained if you looked in to it. Hence not paranormal.
 
Dis86 said:
Where did I mention supernatural? I bet their breakage could be easily explained if you looked in to it. Hence not paranormal.
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Please can you demonstrate the paranormal? Can you demonstrate the supernatural also?

Same thing really. Paranormal and supernatural are both events which occur outside the ability to measure or prove in any way. They are at best delusions but most likely invented.

I cant say for sure but until this can be demonstrated, I will always be highly skeptical.
 
The paranormal has gone the same way as organised religion - education has pushed it out. Religion is taking longer mainly due to larger distribution.
 
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