Who are you voting for on Thursday?

etom · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:52

you don't have to be stormfront to be angry about some of the issues with the EU

for example Gibraltar. Personally don't care if your black, white, asian first gen immigrant or 2nd. If your living in Britian your welcome

. However i think we should have a more rigid policy on immigration similar to the Aussies. I also don't want to see our military become an EU puppet.

Which afaik isn't factored into the wiki entry UK has the best military in the EU and that is a great asset to all euro countries in reality we are giving a lot more then pure money to the EU and not gaining a proportionate amount.

dirtydog · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:53

Nix said:
Not really, you clearly care more about what's in your pocket than the person stood next to you.

The EU on an individual basis is not equivalent to taking half of your earnings at any given point. You seem to think that the money would suddenly find its way back into your pocket or it would miraclously improve this island. I call that naivity.

You're wrong. Comparably, the money which finds its way to the EU is pittance. It'd be more apt me giving you 50p and you spending it.

Oh, and for comparison, the Emirates Stadium - one building - was £430m.

As said, pittance.

Whether we get a trillion pounds a week from the EU, we pay them more than we get back, that is what matters.

Nix · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:54

dirtydog said:
Whether we get a trillion pounds a week from the EU, we pay them more than we get back, that is what matters.

I disagree. We get exactly what we pay for. The EU is an organisation, a service - it is not a bank account.

The EU is like a subscription to some professional society.

dirtydog · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:56

Nix said:
I disagree. We get exactly what we pay for. The EU is an organisation, a service - it is not a bank account.

In your world you'd be happy paying builders £700m if you got a £400m stadium out of it.

In the real world we're not all that silly. Although EU supporters seem to be.

Nix · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:57

dirtydog said:
In your world you'd be happy paying builders £700m if you got a £400m stadium out of it.

In the real world we're not all that silly. Although EU supporters seem to be.

You seem to be missing the fact that the EU do more than simply spend our money for us or even on us.

It's not as if we're being 'ripped off' - we're getting exactly what we're paying for.

TerryWogan · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:58

dirtydog said:
In your world you'd be happy paying builders £700m if you got a £400m stadium out of it.

In the real world we're not all that silly. Although EU supporters seem to be.

Hey, dirtydog - reply to the question on the previous page please! I think you must've skimmed over it.

dirtydog · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:58

Nix said:
You seem to be missing the fact that the EU do more than simply spend our money for us or even on us.

True, MEPs spend millions on themselves making Westminster expense claims look proportionate and reasonable.

Gerard · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:58

dirtydog said:
In your world you'd be happy paying builders £700m if you got a £400m stadium out of it.

In the real world we're not all that silly. Although EU supporters seem to be.

I love how you're avoiding answering the question above. Just in case you missed it:

fus said:
Fancy addressing my point regarding your membership to a white-nationalist, supremacist neonazi forum?

etom · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:58

Nix said:
You seem to be missing the fact that the EU do more than simply spend our money for us or even on us.

yes then bring in legislation which over rides our own even on our land how nice of them

Skeptic · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:59

jonarob said:
Still waiting for dirtydog to stop ignoring the questions we've asked him.

Don't hold your breath. It's difficult for him to defend his 'non racist' position as part of an explicitly racist organization.

It happens in every thread that he is in. If you ever read threads on the other place you will see more threads where he is taken to the cleaners on his racist issues (and his alcoholism, his drink driving and so forth).

I know it's not relevant to this thread, but it does paint a picture of his character as a whole.

dirtydog · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:59

This thread is not about me

Nix · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:59

dirtydog said:
True, MEPs spend millions on themselves making Westminster expense claims look proportionate and reasonable.

Come now DD, you should know better by now. Source please.

RDM · 4 Jun 2009 at 11:59

Gerard said:
I love how you're avoiding answering the question above. Just in case you missed it:

Why is it relevant?

dirtydog · 4 Jun 2009 at 12:01

RDM said:
Why is it relevant?

I think the idea is to attack me personally rather than what I actually say. Character assassination if you will.

TerryWogan · 4 Jun 2009 at 12:01

RDM said:
Why is it relevant?

It's relevant to the initial argument about racism and the BNP. DD denied racism, despite expressing blatantly racist views, and people defended him. We have clear evidence (as if the racist posts weren't enough on their own) that he is, and now he's avoiding the issue completely.

THREAD DELIVERS, you could say.

edit: I'm not attacking you as a person, I'm opposing your racist views. You denied you had racist views. We've got proof that you have. You're yet to reply to that, other than accusing us of "personal attacks". Boohoo.

Freefaller · 4 Jun 2009 at 12:01

dirtydog said:
OMG they are letting immigrants vote in this election?

'fraid so old bean.

Though whilst on that subject, I'd hazard a guess that I'm probably more British than "true" Brits

Gerard · 4 Jun 2009 at 12:01

RDM said:
Why is it relevant?

Above. ^

Nix · 4 Jun 2009 at 12:01

etom said:
yes then bring in legislation which over rides our own even on our land how nice of them

You'll be surprised just how much the EU is worried about infringing national sovereignty. On the whole, the legislation the EU pass only has power because we allow them to.

You don't care about voting for your MEP? Hehe, there's your answer!

Gerard · 4 Jun 2009 at 12:02

dirtydog said:
I think the idea is to attack me personally rather than what I actually say. Character assassination if you will.

Still dodging i see.

Nix · 4 Jun 2009 at 12:03

Gerard said:
Still dodging i see.

He won't answer because as said - he's worried he'll lose what credibility he does have. The answer is obvious and he's aware of what he is, now let's skirt the issue.