why all the hate for hs2?

[Dolph]

the issue i have with it IF it happens now is how long it will take to get to manchester, talk of 2040 and beyond, honestly on that time table for a lot of us why even bother, this is why IT NEEDS to be built from all three end points from the get go. would probably save them money as well as wages and costs of materials will only go up over the years of the build.

While I don't necessarily disagree with you, it's a bit late now because different parts of the route are in different stages of readiness. (the need to massively overhaul our planning etc processes to prevent the sort of obstruction we've seen on this infrastructure project is another discussion)

The only way to start from three points now is to delay significantly, which isn't really going to help.

 

[stockhausen]

I'm sure a united Ireland would love a free bridge to an independent Scotland paid for by British taxpayers.

This.

Then Scotland (along with Ireland) could be EU Members and we could have border posts along the Antonine Wall - or even - along Hadrian's Wall

 

[doodah]

• Southern/Midlands bit been built first, most of the cost
• Supposedly it's this part that brings the least economic benefit
• £5bn pledged to the North for buses and cycling
• Johnson "committed" to finishing the Northern section after a review is done

I wonder how this will pan out.......

 

[Faustus]

Aye and fall to bits 12 months later.

Reports suggest the Chinese have some of the best high speed rail lines in the world. We can neither build to time or to budget.

 

[Orionaut]

Reports suggest the Chinese have some of the best high speed rail lines in the world. We can neither build to time or to budget.

China Needs them, We don't!

 

[FoxEye]

and was ridiculed for being too expensive and would bankrupt the country. So far BJ is trying spend just as much yet I don’t see anybody who was so anti labour saying a word of criticism?

If Boris does it it will make the UK great again. If Labour did it it would be a corridor for terrorists to move around the UK more easily, and would offend all the Jews.

 

[alchal]

• Southern/Midlands bit been built first, most of the cost
• Supposedly it's this part that brings the least economic benefit
• £5bn pledged to the North for buses and cycling
• Johnson "committed" to finishing the Northern section after a review is done

I wonder how this will pan out.......

Over the over budget projections.
Trains will end up being slower than they hoped they would be .
Not as many of the trains able to run at the same time.
5 years over the worst in service date for the track...


I'll stop.

 

[explicit4u]

China Needs them, We don't!

Increased rail usage, domestic flights, and the environment say we do.

 

[Greebo]

Increased rail usage, domestic flights, and the environment say we do.

In 40 years time when its built and most of the jobs in this country is being done by robots and there are driverless auto electric cars which people dont even bother to own anymore (there are just parked in every location and you just book the use of one with an app when you need it), and those people who do work, the majority are working from home and nobody wants (or needs) to travel by train/air, we wont need a HS2.

If there had ever been an argument for HS2 it might have held true if it had been finished by now and we might have seen the benefit of it for 30 to 40 years.

As it is now, its old hat.

 

[Faustus]

China Needs them, We don't!

We most certainly do need them. When was the last time you caught a train and didn't have to stand at peak times? We need more of them not just two.

 

[Faustus]

In 40 years time when its built and most of the jobs in this country is being done by robots and there are driverless auto electric cars which people dont even bother to own anymore (there are just parked in every location and you just book the use of one with an app when you need it), and those people who do work, the majority are working from home and nobody wants (or needs) to travel by train/air, we wont need a HS2.

If there had ever been an argument for HS2 it might have held true if it had been finished by now and we might have seen the benefit of it for 30 to 40 years.

As it is now, its old hat.

And yet more and more countries are eager to build them.

 

[Orionaut]

We most certainly do need them. When was the last time you caught a train and didn't have to stand at peak times? We need more of them not just two.

What we need is more suburban capacity around cities, not stupidly expensive cross country high speed lines that will benefit, relatively speaking, only a handful of very rich long distance commuters. If you want to be concerned about the environment, we should be discouraging long distance commuting, not making it easier for people.

And yet more and more countries are eager to build them.

Yes countries like China and the USA, you know, big countries. where it might well provide an alternative to domestic flights.

The UK needs high speed rail about as much as the isle of wight does!

There are plenty of far better thins to spend this money on that will improve regional transport for many millions of people. Not just a few tens of thousands (Maybe not even that) High end London commuters.

 

[Puzzled]

In 40 years time when its built and most of the jobs in this country is being done by robots and there are driverless auto electric cars which people dont even bother to own anymore (there are just parked in every location and you just book the use of one with an app when you need it), and those people who do work, the majority are working from home and nobody wants (or needs) to travel by train/air, we wont need a HS2.

If there had ever been an argument for HS2 it might have held true if it had been finished by now and we might have seen the benefit of it for 30 to 40 years.

As it is now, its old hat.

40 years time for all that is very optimistic, anyway no reason why that fully automated car can't drop you off at a train station as HS2 will be still be quicker and if in the worst case scenario passenger demand does drop to unsustainable levels then convert the rolling stock to high speed freight.

I'm just hoping they'll have that flying car tech sorted in 40 years time, could do it with it now with the size of the potholes around here.

 

[Greebo]

And yet more and more countries are eager to build them.

Big countries. A lot of people in the UK don;t even comprehend how big France is even in comparison with the UK until they try and drive across it. We are a tiny island and these high speed trains will only cut 20 minutes off the travel time.

In a big country and a long journey you may start and save hours of travel time and then you can see the benefit from the hgih speed trains and they start and become a valid alternative to flying.

 

[Faustus]

What we need is more suburban capacity around cities, not stupidly expensive cross country high speed lines that will benefit, relatively speaking, only a handful of very rich long distance commuters. If you want to be concerned about the environment, we should be discouraging long distance commuting, not making it easier for people.




Yes countries like China and the USA, you know, big countries. where it might well provide an alternative to domestic flights.

The UK needs high speed rail about as much as the isle of wight does!

There are plenty of far better thins to spend this money on that will improve regional transport for many millions of people. Not just a few tens of thousands (Maybe not even that) High end London commuters.

Well it's going to be built and I for one am delighted. Well done Boris.

 

[Rofflay]

Why did they not build a bullet train to Edinburgh? And have road and rail links to the proposed NI to Scotland bridge.

I do not understand, It is the same with fibre we make Asia look good things like 8K TV, Fibre, Trains, Bridges they leave us in the dust time after time. Were as good as as Asian nation but weve diluted that British can do attitude too much.

 

[Greebo]

Well it's going to be built and I for one am delighted. Well done Boris.

why are you delighted we are blowing 150bn on a project which is going to return 50p for every pound invested? Would have better to have given every man woman and child £2500

 

[malachi]

Why did they not build a bullet train to Edinburgh? And have road and rail links to the proposed NI to Scotland bridge.

I do not understand, It is the same with fibre we make Asia look good things like 8K TV, Fibre, Trains, Bridges they leave us in the dust time after time. Were as good as as Asian nation but weve diluted that British can do attitude too much.

Because Asia has the motivation and drive to do it themselves, they invest in their own countries.

The UK is no longer like that, get someone else to it and sell their soul to the devil to profit themselves.

 

[Greebo]

Because Asia has the motivation and drive to do it themselves, they invest in their own countries.

The UK is no longer like that, get someone else to it and sell their soul to the devil to profit themselves.

Not really. Most of the high value contracts have gone to French and Swedish companies for the building of HS2. We wont even be able to claim that its "British Built" .

 

[malachi]

Not really. Most of the high value contracts have gone to French and Swedish companies for the building of HS2. We wont even be able to claim that its "British Built" .

Exactly my point, contracts have gone to French and Swedish....get someone else to do it. Instead of employing people in the UK to built it. Get UK engineers skilled up and create more jobs.