why all the hate for hs2?

so post 2 was the winner? :D

doodah said:
Still on the fence but I would put money on this project been grossly over time and budget.
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Greebo said:
Exactly. With climate change and the move to more and more people working from home and travelling less, fibre to every house in the country at a fraction of the cost was a much better idea than HS2.
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Yep, only if the companies play ball tho
I know a few where as soon as the "restrictions" were lifted people were being dragged back into offices - completely unnecessary imho
A lot of these staff have proven they can work just as effeicently from home and may even skip that 1hr coffee room chat now and again and do work?

You also have the concern of the few as well, I've seen a number of instances where Network installers setup poles/boxes to deliver faster connections.
Only for members of the local community to get the install placed on hold as they weren't happy with placements/colour/size of equipment as "wasn't fitting with the local area"
Well it's either you get the stuff installed or have the "none fitting" gear installed... oooh you want more than a 0.5Mbps connection too.
But the government say minimum of 10Mbps for everyone, ok lets fix this.... ah you don't like poles? well lets go underground... Oh the cabs are the wrong colour?
There's just no helping some people

With regards to HS2, My initial understanding of this was it wouldimpact a minimal number of people in the UK mainly based around London and travelling to/from.
A friend then said it was going further to Manchester, ok it would go a bit further and as long as enough stations benefit a lot more, but now looks like that part is to be binned?

I know the attraction of the "london weighting" but surely if you go for a job in London you should make sure you're happy with the commute?
Surely the 1hour travel saving, would be made an even bigger time saving if you rolled out of bed and went to your work room?
I suppose tho then many roles may lose the london weighting, oh well *shrug*

Last I saw was said to be over 100bn, wasn't the original cost given like half that?
Surely the money could've been used far better in an approach that would impact far more people, not just those commuting to london for work.

The environmental part of it is saddening in a time where the rainforest and other large areas are being slashed n burned, as well as the recent wildfires we really should be doing everything we can to help prevent the loss of species an habitats. Gutting large sections of our land really isn't the answer imho
 
I believe the original was ~£33bn, then £55bn, then ~£80bn and now a little over £100bn.

For me it just has all the hallmarks of a huge UK project that won't deliver on time, budget, bring the benefits it promised, another project that appears London centric, another project that will promise to be environmentally friendly and do the opposite, and parts will get the chop to try and save money and time.
 
Lots of businesses are doing just that though. Now they have discovered productivity has actually increased with their staff working from home they can stop paying them london waiting or recruit staff further afield.

My lass hasn't been to head office in London now for 18 months and it has made no difference to work output.
 
Regardless of the hate, it's creating a lot jobs and the infrastructure industry bounced back the quickest post initial lockdown which is supporting the economy as a result.

Long term, people won't be working exclusively from home, and by building a fast main line the regional lines and the older lines can be improved, modernised and support the local regions more effectively (In my opinion anyway).
 
Freefaller said:
Regardless of the hate, it's creating a lot jobs and the infrastructure industry bounced back the quickest post initial lockdown which is supporting the economy as a result.

Long term, people won't be working exclusively from home, and by building a fast main line the regional lines and the older lines can be improved, modernised and support the local regions more effectively (In my opinion anyway).
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Which would be fine if it was going all the way up North into Scotland as originally planned. If it ends up stopping at Birmingham then that takes away most of your argument.
 
We have a few guys on the project and numbers will increase over the next few years as it starts to take shape, I really couldn't care less about the moaners who don't want it, keeps men in work :)
 
Spook187 said:
We have a few guys on the project and numbers will increase over the next few years as it starts to take shape, I really couldn't care less about the moaners who don't want it, keeps men in work :)
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But those men could have been kept in work on another better infrastructure project than HS2 though..................just cause it's employing people doesn't make it the right choice.
 
If they could get it to Wales one day that would be great, it takes me 50 minutes on train to go 28 miles between carmarthen and swansea.

A 50cc scooter would be faster
 
Greebo said:
But those men could have been kept in work on another better infrastructure project than HS2 though..................just cause it's employing people doesn't make it the right choice.
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Maybe so, but we just go where the work is, west coast mainline can't do Jack midweek nights as they run freight all night, east coast mainline which is where I'm doing a bit on has very little on the night.
 
Greebo said:
Will it? As all the pointers seem to be that it now won't as the first phase will have cost so much that nobody will sign off on phases 2 and 3
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Who knows. It's become a political thing now rather than an economic one.

I'm all for it, but I work in the industry! ;)
 
Infrastructure projects unless ridiculous like Boris's bridge to Ireland should always go ahead imo.

Don't understand the hate, probably environmentalists, they ruin everything.
 
explicit4u said:
^^which highlights the problem of spending the money upgrading existing lines, there’s hardly any free time to do it!
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Exactly having parallel route means more time is available to close sections to upgrade too

Given the costs are largely down to land value this could all be solved by forcing compulsory purchase at lower rates.


Does anyone care ifrich landowners get screwed for the common good.
 
Tefal said:
Exactly having parallel route means more time is available to close sections to upgrade too

Given the costs are largely down to land value this could all be solved by forcing compulsory purchase at lower rates.


Does anyone care ifrich landowners get screwed for the common good.
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They tend to be Tory donors though..............
 
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