That depends if we are talking about the lamb being alive or dead when you cut the foot off. If its already dead then yes its the same. Which is why being a vegetarian is not any better from a moral point of view.
No I am not joking as both are living organisms that you kill. I don't think its wrong to eat meat when the source it comes from didn't suffer. Some plants do have a system that does a similar job as a central nervous system and they do feel the environment around them and know when they are being damaged as they can communicate damage to the rest of the plant. Plants communicate distress with there own kind of nervous system. A few years back I was reading a study by biologists on Mustrad plants and how they use the same type of signals as animals to relay distress.
So if its about suffering you are ok with eating meat that does not suffer? What about when the animal doesnt have a brain or doesnt have a central nervous system is it ok to eat then? If not then just why is that not ok but a plant is? I can understand not wanting to eat meat from sources that suffered like the big breeding factory's but I don't see any reason to not eat meant from a source that did not suffer. Doing so is no different then eating plants. There are lots of reason to be a vegetarian but I don't see vegetarians as better from a moral point of view.
Obviously im talking about if the lamb and plant is alive, they 100% do not suffer in the same way. And no I wouldn't be ok with it because animals still suffer when they are killed, there's no such thing as "humane slaughter", you can kill with LESS suffering but they still suffer to some degree and you're ultimately still taking their life. And You still eat plants though right?
But this is really besides the point, we can't survive on a "meat" only diet, wheres as we have to eat at least some plants.
No, no they're not. You only have to look at how we farm beef, for example, and compare that to the states to realise that we have a lot higher standards.
Oh yea I dont disagree, some countries have even more appalling standards or none at all, but I was actually referring standard practices in the dairy industry.
Hardly an unbiased story. It's full of emotionally charged language to draw outrage from people who have no actual lived experiences of farming.
From the article:
So we have Animal Equality who have an agenda claiming a breach and we have officials from Trading Standards rebutting this claim. Hardly damning
I will stop here otherwise this post could be much much longer as the Guardian article can be ripped to shreds by anyone who even has the slightest of knowledge, something the writer does not.
You should do yourself a favour and go visit an animal operation (beef, sheep, dairy etc) and get some actual first hand experience rather than reading heavily biased articles where the writer is either lazy, has an agenda or both.
It may benefit others here too.
Oh, TLDR - linked Guardian article is full of crap.
Thanks for the info, the problem I have with industry bodies like trading standards or the FSA is that the slaughterhouse footage that turned me vegan that clearly must be breaching some standards by bolt gunning a cow 3 times (waiting in between each shot) and cutting the throat of a cow while not properly stunned was signed off by the FSA.... so you might understand why im skeptical of what they say.
https://www.clactonandfrintongazett...lacton-slaughterhouse-recording-secret-video/
Ignoring the "emotional charged language" Cows are indeed maternal animals and ive seen cows following vans across a field after the farmer has just taken away its calf. This is cruelty and something im obviously against, then this will happen again and again to this cow correct? Until its "spent" then ultimately killed anyway, so you see my point?
I actually grew up near a dairy farm when I was 8-18, something never did sit right with me seeing the cows hind legs tied together with rope and their massive unnatural looking udders.... wasnt aware of the other stuff though.
1. How did you think cows were slaughtered? Bolt to the head which stuns them is about the most humane way possible currently.
2. Pretty sure cockrels don't lay eggs so that makes sense.
3. tail docking is fairly common, done for a multitude of reasons, tooth trimming is done to prevent damage to the sows teats when feeding. When a piglets starts feeding they take ownership of a teat and will defend it, trimming of the incisors prevents damage to the sow and other piglets if they get feisty.
I respect your choice to not eat meat, I also don't care what you think other people should/should not do.
It doesnt always work, ive seen video footage of this not happening, it can require more than one bolt. But even if it takes one bolt its irrelevant you're still paying someone to take their life unnecessarily. Cows can live up to 20yrs.
Yes reasons including they get so stressed out in their poor conditions they bite each others tails, and this is before we even mention the being forced into a cage and gassed where they scream and thrash about.
I respect your choice to eat meat about as much as I respect people who use dogs for fighting or other people who abuse animals.
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