Why do lorries do it?
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The_Dark_Side said:
Why oh why cant we sing our own songs.
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Dogbreath said:
where did I say anyone had to slow down?
its not the mph difference, its slowing down, then speeding up again
I doubt many of you really understand driving a truck is nothing like a car
you have to look and plan miles ahead, when they overtake (for the most part) you can bet thats the best opportunity they've had for a long time
Which usually results in failure or the very least is obstructive to others. Two large, slow vehicles taking their time blocking two of 3 lanes slows the entire flow of all motorway traffic. The concertina effect can go on for miles because of this.Nitro_Junkie said:
Knowing a few lorry drivers myself (2 in the family), it's clear they aren't a band of highly skilled considerate drivers, but regular numpties who just happen to have passed the HGV test, why people think they would act 'better' then your average car driver is beyond me..
I'm not sure what I get held up more by, these slow overtakers, or middle lane owners club members..
I'm not sure what I get held up more by, these slow overtakers, or middle lane owners club members..
Dogbreath said:
Its called being considerate to other road users, never mind the poor sod who's stranded alongside , trying to get past an obviously slower vehicle (if he were not, the other truck wouldn't have caught him up would he?)
You lose next to no momentum if you back off marginally, but, you lose enough to get the overtaker past you quickly & safely, so everybody's happy.
I do this every day! Even when running @ 44ton's the momentum loss is minimal (unless your on a very steep hill)
Do you drive articulated trucks Dogbreath? as what you write tells me you don't.
R124/LA420 said:
If there was any consideration being given the trucker wouldn't have attempted an overtake that could take miles to complete.
I didn't say the other vehicle wasn't slower, it's blatantly obvious that it must be. My arguments were to show that the actual amount of time a truck might save is miniscule compared to the amount of frustration and delays they cause other road users.
No I don't drive articulated trucks, I could never enjoy frustrating other road users enough to do that, and unfortunately my driving skills don't extend extend to using the hard shoulder on a regular basis, switching lanes without indicating or waiting for a suitable gap and generaly making no effort to stay in one lane by texting, eating a meal or watching TV as I use the motorway.
I saw signs on the A14 (near santa pod) about restrictions on larger vehicles using the outside lane between certain hours (7am-7pm iirc?) much like I saw on the continent...
brilliant idea IMO
I'm not a fan of dueling trucks either
brilliant idea IMO
I'm not a fan of dueling trucks either
MrMatteh said:I saw signs on the A14 (near santa pod) about restrictions on larger vehicles using the outside lane between certain hours (7am-7pm iirc?) much like I saw on the continent...
brilliant idea IMO
I'm not a fan of dueling trucks either
Got them right at the end of the M42 as well.
Demon said:
Great post
It seems to me that your one of the regular numptie car drivers who just happen to have passed your CAR test
It's been done to death, you get courteous, considerate and good car drivers. You also get the drivers whom cut you up, stay 6" from your bumper and generally drive like idiots. This is the same for HGV drivers, you get good and you get bad.How you can say "Regular numpties who just happen to have passed the HGV test" proves to me you know very little on the subject. Anyhow, I'll go back to dragging my knuckles and picking the winnets out of my crack.
I always meant to ask some lorry drivers how they can reach speeds above what the limiter should be set at. I have seen it a few times on the M62 around J24/25 where i have been doing 70'ish in the middle lane only to have a hooooge UK registered artic bearing down on me, can they build up this type of speed by just dipping the clutch and free-wheeling?
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Loosely speaking (ie it's complicated to go into detail so i'll summarise), anything over 3.5 tonnes will have a speed limiter fitted.matja said:
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I too wonder the same thing, its very rare if I see and HGV doing the limit especially on NSL roads. However its more often the foreign truckers, the worst ive seen was a complete tool on the A140 heading towards Noriwch quite happily tailgating and overtaking. He over took me + 2 other cars in one move (me doing about 50 at the time behind the other 2) and off he went into the distance only to re-appear just south of norwich stuck behind a bus which he then decided to pass, ive never seen anything like it he just pulled out, passed and then swung back in and went on his merry way. Im supprised he could see what was coming he was so close to the back of the bus. TBH I dont have a problem with a lorry doing 60 on a NSL as I cant stand getting stuck in a line of traffic behind one but is there any need really for the snail racing. Yes im aware you have deadlines but what are you honestly going to gain timewise trying to overtake another HGV doing ever so slightly less than you?
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They've either had their limiter "adjusted" or, if you were going downhill at the time, the sheer weight of the vehicle will force it to accelerate beyond it's speed limiter setting unless the brakes are applied.kefkef said:
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For an intelligent man like you've shown yourself to be time and time again, that's a stupid post.Dogbreath said:
Dogbreath said:
Gerroff tha' high horse man!
perhaps then, you'd appreciate I was just saying that I'm being the considerate one to the guy overtaking, I lift off the gas and he's past me & in straight away,no problem.Alas, I quite agree, a lot of truckers don't do this - and will duel each other over miles, the A14 being a particular issue due to numerous hills) this usually is down to impossible delivery schedules set by people who have no clue about logistics (most of the UK haulage industry then
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Most people assume automatically that artic drivers try to block their way, take crazy lines around corners etc etc etc spend 10 minutes in one and you'll realise thats the last thing on his mind, most are actually driving defensively avoiding the lemming attitude displayed by an average car driver (especially in big cities)
Nowhere have I stated that I condone the actions of some idiot truckers - the wandering, lane changing DVD (usually porn) watching , breakfast/lunch/tea munchers and not forgetting those on the mobile , having a shave, or, even with his girlfriend / hooker sat on his lap brigade!
(yes! I've seen all of what I write done by "professional" HGV drivers)
Inspite of what I've seen ,believe me,they are still the vast minority.
Try driving on the continent, you'll then realize that UK HGV drivers are actually very highly skilled & very well trained - A scary though!
Its on two stretches of the A14 near Welford and Kelmarsh in Northamptonshire mate, and I don't see many truckers sticking to it tbh.MrMatteh said:
Neither am I.MrMatteh said:I'm not a fan of dueling trucks either
kefkef said:
Its a brave driver who does that by slipping his clutch, mostly its simply that the driver has let his speed increase as he's gone down a given hill (44tons will move down a hill!) the thing to think about (which they don't) is that in that situation, they have no chance of scrubbing off a little speed never mind stopping in an emergency situation!
Which is truly scary when you think about it.Yes, they should be - This seems not to apply to trucks with Irish plates though! Also,there's a new EC Directive to limit vehicles 3.5t to 7.5t GVW to 56mph with compulsory governers and keep them out of the outside lanes of motorways. - Thats bad news for "White Van man"matja said: