Good read this. Makes me feel guilty for not supporting Firefox anymore. I've recently switched to Chrome.
But feel dirty.
But feel dirty.
Why you SHOULD be using Firefox
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This is two years old now but he makes some good points why we need Firefox to counter Chrome.
The web is 'optimised for Chrome, not for independent browsers'
This is unhealthy and my brief flirt with chrome should come to an end.
This is unhealthy and my brief flirt with chrome should come to an end.
I think you guys are missing the point and focusing on the technology behind the browser rather than the politics and big picture.
Another good article can be found here.
The point is this, the vast majority of the internet population are non technical people. They don't give a hoot nor understand what is happening behind the scenes.
The are sucked in by brands and branding and don't really care about what is happening with their data or privacy.
Even scandals like the Facebook Cambridge Analytica thing hasn't really woken any one up to what is really happening.
It's very very bad for Google to be so dominant of the internet and internet standards in ways which we will only find out in the future if this continues at it's current pace.
It's a bit like global warming. Us average Joe's don't care nor do we even believe, simply because it doesn't affect us in our day to day lives. But one day it MIGHT. And then when it's too late we will all really care about it because it has a meaningful impact on how we live our lives.
It's the same thing happening here but this time in the digital realm of the internet.
This is why there are initiative in the EU anyway to start to have an impact on breaking up the monopoly of the big tech companies such as Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple and Facebook.
It's happening. Lets just hope it's not too late.
Another good article can be found here.
The point is this, the vast majority of the internet population are non technical people. They don't give a hoot nor understand what is happening behind the scenes.
The are sucked in by brands and branding and don't really care about what is happening with their data or privacy.
Even scandals like the Facebook Cambridge Analytica thing hasn't really woken any one up to what is really happening.
It's very very bad for Google to be so dominant of the internet and internet standards in ways which we will only find out in the future if this continues at it's current pace.
It's a bit like global warming. Us average Joe's don't care nor do we even believe, simply because it doesn't affect us in our day to day lives. But one day it MIGHT. And then when it's too late we will all really care about it because it has a meaningful impact on how we live our lives.
It's the same thing happening here but this time in the digital realm of the internet.
This is why there are initiative in the EU anyway to start to have an impact on breaking up the monopoly of the big tech companies such as Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple and Facebook.
It's happening. Lets just hope it's not too late.
Taken form the conclusion of this article:
"What really clinched the switch to Mozilla Firefox was the fact that it’s the only cross-platform browser that’s not running Google’s open-source Chromium platform. Microsoft’s Edge, Brave, Opera, Vivaldi — each of these browsers run on Chromium, accelerating Google’s dominance over the web even when you’re not directly using a Chrome browser. Firefox, on the other hand, is powered by Mozilla’s in-house Gecko engine that’s not dependent on Chromium in any way.
It may not seem like as vital of a trait as I make it sound, but it truly is, even though Chromium is open-source. Google oversees a huge chunk of the web, including ads, browser, and search, and this supremacy has allowed the company to pretty much run a monopoly and set its own rules for the open internet.
Your move to Firefox won’t have a significant effect on this but it’s a step in the right direction."
Also there is a reason why Firefox is THE browser by default on Linux. Because it is 100% open-source. I do believe that chromium tracks users. As does Chrome.
This is why there was a backlash amongst the Linux community when some distros started bundling Chromium as the default browser.
I just switched back to Firefox.
"What really clinched the switch to Mozilla Firefox was the fact that it’s the only cross-platform browser that’s not running Google’s open-source Chromium platform. Microsoft’s Edge, Brave, Opera, Vivaldi — each of these browsers run on Chromium, accelerating Google’s dominance over the web even when you’re not directly using a Chrome browser. Firefox, on the other hand, is powered by Mozilla’s in-house Gecko engine that’s not dependent on Chromium in any way.
It may not seem like as vital of a trait as I make it sound, but it truly is, even though Chromium is open-source. Google oversees a huge chunk of the web, including ads, browser, and search, and this supremacy has allowed the company to pretty much run a monopoly and set its own rules for the open internet.
Your move to Firefox won’t have a significant effect on this but it’s a step in the right direction."
Also there is a reason why Firefox is THE browser by default on Linux. Because it is 100% open-source. I do believe that chromium tracks users. As does Chrome.
This is why there was a backlash amongst the Linux community when some distros started bundling Chromium as the default browser.
I just switched back to Firefox.
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Unfortunately on my older pc with a 3570k Firefox is just too slow. Using the new Edge is night and day difference in speed.
You need a faster PC to really hide the fact it's a generally a slower browser.
You need a faster PC to really hide the fact it's a generally a slower browser.
I don't use any addons. For me it's not start up, it's general usage. Like scrolling etc...
I'm loathed to use Chrome, Edge doesn't feel right and Firefox feels like home. But now that I've used all three recently I can see that FF is definitely the slowest browser.
I'm back on FF after my brief fling with that spyware called Chrome.
Glaring privacy issues in Edge apparently.
Another article saying we should all be very concerned by the apparent decline of Mozilla and the Firefox browser.
"But Mozilla isn’t just a Firefox company. It isn’t just another boutique tech company outflanked by trillion-dollar competitors like Microsoft, Apple, and Google. Instead, Mozilla is a company with a long history of moving the world of web standards forward. And its crisis should concern us all."
"But Mozilla isn’t just a Firefox company. It isn’t just another boutique tech company outflanked by trillion-dollar competitors like Microsoft, Apple, and Google. Instead, Mozilla is a company with a long history of moving the world of web standards forward. And its crisis should concern us all."
Honestly I'm trying to work out why Firefox has seen such a decline.
The browser is good. If anyone takes the latest version for a spin they will see that so I don't think it's a quality issue.
I put it down to brand name and marketing.
A user of a PC still needs to go on the internet to download a third party browser. Google Chrome vs Mozilla Firefox.
It's quite easy to see there why brand name is playing a huge part in this.
If I asked my parents who can't tell a mouse from a keyboard which one of those two products do they recognise they will most surely pick out the Google browser.
The browser is good. If anyone takes the latest version for a spin they will see that so I don't think it's a quality issue.
I put it down to brand name and marketing.
A user of a PC still needs to go on the internet to download a third party browser. Google Chrome vs Mozilla Firefox.
It's quite easy to see there why brand name is playing a huge part in this.
If I asked my parents who can't tell a mouse from a keyboard which one of those two products do they recognise they will most surely pick out the Google browser.
The issue is I don't think anything Mozilla do can stop the rot. It's a downwards spiral with no way of getting out of it.
They are trying to diversify by developing different products (vpn, a chat service) but those markets are already congested and have some big players already established so I don't see how they will make any money through those either.
They are trying to diversify by developing different products (vpn, a chat service) but those markets are already congested and have some big players already established so I don't see how they will make any money through those either.
From a security perspective though Firefox is delivering where other browsers are not.
With Firefox you can get all four green ticks in this and with the next version out next week you will have the option to use https only mode. These are fundamental security settings which will be available right from with the browser it's self without needing any addons etc...
I've had a little play around with Chrome the last few days and actually find more websites broken in Chrome and Edge then Firefox.
For example this page if you open it in Chrome/Edge notice the broken flag (shippable build status). Also click it and you will just seen plain json.
Open the same page in Firefox and it renders fine and click the link and you get a different view rather than just plain json.
With Firefox you can get all four green ticks in this and with the next version out next week you will have the option to use https only mode. These are fundamental security settings which will be available right from with the browser it's self without needing any addons etc...
I've had a little play around with Chrome the last few days and actually find more websites broken in Chrome and Edge then Firefox.
For example this page if you open it in Chrome/Edge notice the broken flag (shippable build status). Also click it and you will just seen plain json.
Open the same page in Firefox and it renders fine and click the link and you get a different view rather than just plain json.
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Yea. It just feels like home. Cant really move away.
The web is dead according to this. Only Google is left!
The only way we can support an open internet is to not use a chromium based browser and stop the dominance of Google.
But is it now too late for Mozilla? Firing a whole load of engineers recently doest make for good reading for an open internet.
The only way we can support an open internet is to not use a chromium based browser and stop the dominance of Google.
But is it now too late for Mozilla? Firing a whole load of engineers recently doest make for good reading for an open internet.
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Over the last week or so, when using Firefox I get random tab freezing/crashes, though it doesn't occur with Chrome.
Anyone else encountering the same problem?
Scans all come up clean.
I never get any of these issues.
Try a clean profile.
This sums up the situation. Hence why Google maybe forced to sell off Chrome!
I did find an issue yesterday on Firefox latest version on windows.
I was browsing a Sekiro walkthrough here and I found on my Windows 10 3570k system that the browser was often showing the "a script is slowing this webpage down" message.
I then fired by Edge and got no such message. Nor in Chrome or Brave (which I was experimenting with)
I wonder if my 3570k system is starting to show signs of age and the single threaded nature of FF is starting to cause issues on this older system.
No such issues in the Chromium based browsers though.
I was browsing a Sekiro walkthrough here and I found on my Windows 10 3570k system that the browser was often showing the "a script is slowing this webpage down" message.
I then fired by Edge and got no such message. Nor in Chrome or Brave (which I was experimenting with)
I wonder if my 3570k system is starting to show signs of age and the single threaded nature of FF is starting to cause issues on this older system.
No such issues in the Chromium based browsers though.