Why you SHOULD be using Firefox

Trying the same site on my Ubuntu based work laptop which has a Intel 8 core laptop chip the site does seem to be fine.

So perhaps the issues I am seeing then is because my CPU isn't fast enough. (3570k)

But then I see no issues with the Chromium based browsers.

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I'm on my 3570k machine now and just opened up 6 tabs form that site and I am not getting the "A script on this page is running slow" message.

So maybe this intermittent.
 
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OK so it did actually happen again on my 3570k machine.

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No issues with the chromium browsers though. They feel much smoother to browse on this old PC.
 
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V F said:
Tried creating a new Firefox profile?
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I just tried the same site in Firefox on my 3700x system and opened up 7 ish tabs and got the same message about a slow script.

I don't use unlock origin no. But my point is in a chromium based browser I don't see this issue manifest.

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I thing I will mention, is I see to be seeing this issues on my Windows PC's. On my Ubuntu systems they seem fine.
 
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Unrelated to Windows.... but Firefox related. I did a fresh install of the latest Ubuntu and wow. They have done some work with Firefox for sure.

It is night and day smooth. Even smoother than on my Windows 10 box!!

I'm glad I did a fresh install, because I originally did an upgrade and don't think I saw this so of performance gain in Firefox.
 
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I've been doing a bit of reading on Encrypted SNI to night. I realised I have misinterpreted how this works in Firefox.

First of all it is not always on. The website you are connecting too has to support it.

And secondly it is still being standardised so i imagine there are that many websites out there that are using the feature.

No Chromium based browser currently supports ESNI, which I though was a plus for Firefox but now I realise although Firefox supports it it is probably hardly been used as I imagine not many websites have support for the technology.

I am currently writing this from the Brave browser. It seems to do what Firefox should do. I.e all the privacy features and Chromium based.

I don't like to install addons hence why I didn't have ublock installed. But Brave has one built in which is nice for people like me.

The other thing I like about Brave is it has a former Firefox founder leading the project.
 
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ESNI is very handy, and available on all Cloudflare based websites (which is a lot). For example, with encrypted SNI you bypass UK censorship of certain Linux ISO websites. The ISP has no idea who you're connecting to, as the DNS lookup, SNI header and site are all encrypted. As such you can connect as normal even without a VPN. It's a nice privacy boon, and there's a bug open on the Chromium tracker to get it included once the standard moves forward through the drafts status.

Brave has been subject to several privacy scandals, including rewriting URLs to redirect them to affiliate links to gain them money. At this stage it's basically a front end for their ad network. If you really must use a Chromium based browser I'd suggest Ungoogled Chromium. You'll lose all the extra features of Firefox like containers, tracking and fingerprinting protection, first party isolation, CNAME uncloaking and so on though.
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Good to know. I didn't know Brave have had some privacy scandals? I'll do some Googling.

I don't really want to abandon Firefox as it feels like home. But it's hard to ignore the fact that there may no be so many engineers working on Firefox now after they sacked a quarter plus of the the work force.

Time will tell I suppose.

And yea you're right a lot of websites are hosted on Cloudflare.
 
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jpaul said:
Is there ongoing exploitation of unencrypted domain names for marketting, or criminal, gain ?
after your post, reading a paper - they came up with an obvious'ish negative, which can reduce effectiveness of 2nd level of protection beyond ublocko, namely, domestic/enterprise firewall s/w

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That's the nature of technology. It can be used for both good reasons and for twisted for nefarious ones..
 
If anyone is on Ubuntu I urge you to upgrade to Ubuntu 20.10 and try Firefox. This is like a different browser!

I just wish I could get this on Windows 10.

The browser now scrolls like Chrome i.e smooth.

I think the technical term I am looking for is jank. The browser on Ubuntu 20.10 is jank free.
 
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darael said:
Smooth scrolling is wasted on me. It's one of the first things I disable on Firefox.
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You mean on Windows all I have to do is turn on smooth scrolling?

I think it's more than just they have turned on smooth scrolling. The way the webpage is painted seems different. Could be placebo. :p

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OK I just checked. Smooth scrolling is on by default in windows.

I'm telling you they have done some magic in Ubuntu. Firefox on Ubuntu feels like it's superior now to the Windows version.
 
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I'm just listening in to this and the first min he says something interesting.

Apparently according to Snowden the data Google has on you which is collected via Chrome and their app ecosystem is data that is also available to the likes of the NSA!!

*The title says best browser for privacy


The issue is with the lack of market share and money Firefox could be going down the pan especially with all the recent layoffs. Lets hope Firefox can survive and strive after their reorganisation.
 
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darael said:
Thanks, have done enabled DNS-over-HTTPS and enabled encrypted SNI - will test to see if this breaks any sites.

https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/ssl/encrypted-sni/ gives me the message "Your resolver does not appear to validate DNS responses with DNSSEC".
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It doesn't break any sites at least I have never come across any that have broken. It's only encrypts the server name you are trying to connect too. If the site doesn't support ESNI I think it falls back to unencrypted.

I also set my local connection to use the cloudflare dns servers:

ipv4: 1.1.1.1, 1.0.0.1

ipv6: 2606:4700:4700::1111, 2606:4700:4700::1001

You should get 4 green ticks when it is set up correctly. Via the cloudflare esni checker site.
 
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I'm getting the same message again about "A webpage is slowing down your browser" on this site as well now.

I do have two BT TV champions league games open in two other windows and another 3 tabs including that one open. But I've never seen these message before in years and years.

These message only started since the update to version 82.
 
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Been messing about a bit with chrome. I noticed with only about 4 tabs open that the browser had about 30 processes running.

One of the windows was a BT TV football stream. but when I do similar in Firefox it spawns far less processes.

This is what I meant by 'multi process' a few days back.

And probably contributes why Firefox on the whole is not as fast as Chrome.

Chrome is able to break it all down in to more processes which makes thing asynchronous and hence more smooth.

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One thing I will say is the message "a website is running slow" is no longer showing up for me in Firefox since the minor version update 82.0.2. So hopefully it was just a bug.
 
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