Will Smith hits Chris Rock on Oscars stage
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Anyone else think jada still looks pretty damn good, as does the daughter? There seems to be quite a difference between white women losing their hair and black women. Perhaps it's because it's really common to see black females with shaved heads and then use a wig of some sort, or the way the loss of hair is different, but to me, she looks pretty damn fine. I'd not even notice it, unlike that photo someone posted a few pages back where the lady essentially has no hair on top.
Alopecia can (and often does) make hair fall out in a patchy kind of way. Plenty of people would choose to shave their head to get something more even. As many men do when they lose their hair on some parts of their head but not others.
Alopecia is a generic term for all hair loss. Are all bald men ill?
Technically yes, since it's an autoimmune disease.
It's not at all life-threatening, of course, but it can cause people a lot of stress, sadness and depression. Baldness effects different people in different ways. Some don't care, whereas it can be an awful emotional experience for others.
Much like a slap in the mouth.
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Genuine question here... what is the difference between someone having alopecia and just going bald at a young age. Some would argue that they would rather have alopecia...
Just because something is a medical condition doesn't mean that you have to treat it like some sort of terminal illness. You can't go around assaulting people for making a joke about you or your loved ones. Smith should just thank his lucky stars Rock didn't really lay into them afterwards. Theres plenty of ammunition where the Smiths are concerned.
Alopecia Areata is an auto immune disease, male pattern baldness, androgenic alopecia, is heredity and a hormone imbalance.
What I was getting at is alopecia is a general term covering all hair loss, it's not necessarily an auto immune disease.
Ah fair enough. Thanks for the clarification.
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With the dust settling a little bit I feel I've come around to the idea that although it was quite a weak joke it really wasn't as mean spirited as people are trying to make out. If he'd said something like "hey I hear Peter Jackson is making a new LOTR movie and the auditions are open for Gollum if you hurry" then fair enough, but last I checked Demi Moore in GI Jane doesn't seem like a particularly unkind comparison - a beautiful woman who played a part with her head shaved.
So as usual online communities have ran away with the "oh I am so offended on her behalf" and like her husband are making themselves look pretty foolish right about now
So as usual online communities have ran away with the "oh I am so offended on her behalf" and like her husband are making themselves look pretty foolish right about now
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I think it's good that it happened and I support Will Smith in it. There are certain things that should be off-limits and taking the **** out of someone's condition should feature in that.
Ricky Gervais got away with a lot of what he said, probably all of it, because he didn't take the **** out of anyone's medical condition, and all of his controversial jokes were carefully worded and run past a team of lawyers.
Gervais' stand up though covers all sorts of sensitive topics and makes us laugh in the face of them.
If you want to make "the line" in comedy a defined thing (who defines it?) rather than an ever moving arbitrary line that is 'found' by the comedian and the audience through a kind of dialogue, then comedy as we know it, is dead.
If you want to make "the line" in comedy a defined thing (who defines it?) rather than an ever moving arbitrary line that is 'found' by the comedian and the audience through a kind of dialogue, then comedy as we know it, is dead.
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But what I'm saying is I'm not sure he really was "taking the ****"... not especially... it's just another example of everybody repeating that he was and competing with each other for who can seem the most outraged (see above) until it's just accepted. Demi Moore/GI Jane isn't Shrek or Voldemort or Gollum or one of Roald Dahl's Witches (edit, sorry it's too much fun) or Anakin Skywalker at the end of ROTJ or Humpty Dumpty (edit again, lol) or Chunk or Uncle Fester - so I just don't see why the comparison is so nasty
He was making fun of someone's appearance based on a medical condition.
Would a comedian get away with saying to Winnie Harlow that Cravendale wants one of their cows back? No, they wouldn't, and they shouldn't. Because some things are just below the belt and should be disallowed from comedy. It's the same thing.
I remember David Baddiel saying this many years ago. You don't take the **** out of people with medical conditions.
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I think she looks great, with her current look as well. Personally, I took his joke in a more positive way.
"Jada, I love ya, G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it."
I saw it as
"Dig the look, fit and strong to play G.I. Jane." The joke is on the haircut, but the association to her illness is made by people individually. He mentions not of her illness, people jump to that conclusion by themselves. (Unless he has previously made comments about this before specifically to the illness?) Clearly a lot of people has so I might be the minority here.
Had he said "Jada looks like she has had 5 rounds of chemo." then that's low.
But then again, this is America, and by their own rules, they are free to say what they want, I don't want to put my own ethics on their laws, and by their own law, he is free to tell jokes that he is paid to do. Plus, I am sure there was a rehearsal and proofread by lots of higher-ups in the Academy.
"Jada, I love ya, G.I. Jane 2, can't wait to see it."
I saw it as
"Dig the look, fit and strong to play G.I. Jane." The joke is on the haircut, but the association to her illness is made by people individually. He mentions not of her illness, people jump to that conclusion by themselves. (Unless he has previously made comments about this before specifically to the illness?) Clearly a lot of people has so I might be the minority here.
Had he said "Jada looks like she has had 5 rounds of chemo." then that's low.
But then again, this is America, and by their own rules, they are free to say what they want, I don't want to put my own ethics on their laws, and by their own law, he is free to tell jokes that he is paid to do. Plus, I am sure there was a rehearsal and proofread by lots of higher-ups in the Academy.
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Fair play, a reasonable apology to be fair.
We still don't know if CR actually knew about the alopecia though, it might have been an oversight on his part, so I would kinda expect an apology to JPS on his behalf.
But, will WS make any sort of comment to JS though, given his 'And that's how we do it' comment...