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Will Smith hits Chris Rock on Oscars stage
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This is exactly my point... totally agree...
But looking like a cow is not something which could be considered a positive, is it? See my earlier post - that would be more like comparing Jada to Dr Evil or Bunsen Honeydew from the Muppet Show or any number of bald male actors... i.e. it's supposed to be funny because the target of the joke would likely not want to be compared to those actors/characters (and you're right, that would be extremely poor taste - edit: perhaps still not enough to justify disallowing it from comedy, whatever that means!). But I'm not seeing what's so offensive about being compared to GI Jane
Comparing someone to a cow is different to comparing them to a successful good looking actress in a film though.
A lot of the people arguing Will was right to slap Chris seem to rely on making these false comparisons to make a sudden angry and violent response seem more justified. We started at "well if I were down the pub and someone called my missus ugly I' d deck 'em", through to "well it wouldn't have been OK if a comedian made fun of her for having cancer", and now we're at "it wouldn't have been OK to imply she looked like a cow".
Edit: Fwiw I would still say Will going straight to a violent response was not OK regardless of what Chris said, even if he did just straight up call her a cow or whatever. It's just not the right way to behave, especially in that context.
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The whole thing was staged. No different to when they accidentally on purpose gave the Oscar to the wrong person.
It seems Hollywood has to rely on cheap stunts now to get people's attention and try and remain relevant. Hence why racial diversity is so high on the agenda and the #metoo movement yada yada. It's no longer about recognising talent and those deserving of awards.
It seems Hollywood has to rely on cheap stunts now to get people's attention and try and remain relevant. Hence why racial diversity is so high on the agenda and the #metoo movement yada yada. It's no longer about recognising talent and those deserving of awards.
Comedians are already talking today how it's dead in case someone gets offended.
Look how old this is and what was happening then. It's from 2007. It still stands today.
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Chris Rock is playing a blinder by staying completely silent, he has Will Smith and Acadamy people worried. He's not going to say or do anything in the end, but he's going to let them stew for a while before accepting the apology. A perfect way to get a little payback
Support Will Smith? Even he’s acknowledged he was wrong and apologised.
He was ALWAYS going to look back at this with nothing but regret.
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I suspect he can sue them if he wants to, this is America after all. His jokes would have been proof-read, there should have been security there to protect him being attacked, even from other celebrities. If anyone else walk up onto that stage at that point, he/she would have been stopped and removed from the building.
Some people might not like the joke (ethics) but when it comes down to it, everyone there will stand up to their 1st Constitutional right. I bet he wants to say lots of stuff, tweet and even make another joke about it behind the scene.
IMO it was reasonably fair joke, not particularly mean spirited. GI Jane is a good female role.
I also think that Will Smith is a massive fanny who had a momentary brain fart, which caused him to try and make up for being outed as a **** by slapping a much smaller person for making a bad joke about his wife. He wouldn't have done it to someone like Dave Chappelle.
IMO, you can't really draw a line comedy. Of course, there is a time and a place for certain types of jokes (i.e. not the office, or a children's cancer ward), but I'd consider most things to be fair game at a jerk-fest for the rich and famous.
If the Smiths are happy to be worth $350M dollars, publicise their lives and sit in the front row of the Oscars they need to be able to take the odd joke. This isn't a case of Martin from accounts making a joke at fat Susan's appearance at the annual office dinners.
In any case, the whole family is just weird and severely out of touch. I'd also be happy to never hear of the Oscars or similar, ever again.
I also think that Will Smith is a massive fanny who had a momentary brain fart, which caused him to try and make up for being outed as a **** by slapping a much smaller person for making a bad joke about his wife. He wouldn't have done it to someone like Dave Chappelle.
IMO, you can't really draw a line comedy. Of course, there is a time and a place for certain types of jokes (i.e. not the office, or a children's cancer ward), but I'd consider most things to be fair game at a jerk-fest for the rich and famous.
If the Smiths are happy to be worth $350M dollars, publicise their lives and sit in the front row of the Oscars they need to be able to take the odd joke. This isn't a case of Martin from accounts making a joke at fat Susan's appearance at the annual office dinners.
In any case, the whole family is just weird and severely out of touch. I'd also be happy to never hear of the Oscars or similar, ever again.
Here we go, here come 'other people's opinions' being wheeled out. Like has happened so much in thus thread, so much of it is people regurgitating other peoples' opinions as their own and thinking they are the ones who have the original opinion, when it's the opposite.
Look, I'm a fan of Steve Hughes. I've always liked his stuff BUT there are some things you do not take the **** out of. Medical conditions, rapes, murders etc. There is a line and saying "grow up and stop being offended" does not cut it in all situations. If you say "there should be no line" then you are most likely unsocialised.
LOL welcome to woke viewpoints, often literally indistinguishable from satire!
Why would Will Smith (net worth circa. $350m) agree to a stunt which:
1) Paints him in an extremely bad light
2) Has him screaming the "F-bomb" which will no doubt be heard and spoken about by countless children
3) Has zero positive outcomes for him
4) Ruin the reputation of the Oscars
5) Gets everyone talking about his wife and her alopecia
6) Puts the infidelities of his wife at the forefront of current affairs (I had no idea about them until now)
I know everyone loves to jump on the "It was fake, it was a setup" bandwagon but this is surely beyond the pale.
You keep mentioning beauty as a part of it, that's not why people are mad.
It's that his joke was person A looking like person B (valid, fine not an issue) but that person A has a medical condition causing her to look like that, so should be off-limits to joke about. Would be the same if she had chemotherapy, or similar. If she was just short haired through choice (like will smith, or myself) then it's considered ok.
I'm not putting an opinion in there, just explaining the other sides point of view as you keep missing it it seems. Personally i think if it's wrong to make fun of someone with alopecia, then it's wrong to make fun of a guy who is balding too as it's not a natural old age thing, it's a genetics thing for some guys in the same way alopecia is for anyone. We live in a world of double standards sadly and that's why jokes are funny one year and apalling the next.
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The joke police over here, not a fan of free speech then?
And before you say "freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom from consequences" I actually agree to an extent.... but what should the conequences be of a joke or satire? A slap, a punch? How about people that get so offended they actually kill, members of certain religion which I surely dont need to name. Is that ok?
Hes too busy whinging about Israel and white people.
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He didn't take the **** out of anyone's condition though! Did he even know she had alopecia? Their daughter also shaved her head once, shaving your head doesn't necessarily imply a medical condition.
He made a mildly amusing comment based on her appearance, it's not like he's compared her to Gollum from Lord of the Rings, he's compared her to some badass female move character.
It's not like she's got cancer either, alopecia is a blanket term that covers anything from, at worst, a fairly benign autoimmune condition through to hair loss from stress and hair loss from years of harsh styling of your hair etc.. The choice of appearance is entirely hers, ignoring it (her case seems to be super mild regardless of cause), wearing a wig, cutting her hair short etc..
The notion that he's mocked a disability or a medical condition is total BS, it was a mild joke about looks/style and way way milder than the majority of jokes about looks/style.
This is flawed because it's not clear it was really a medical condition, it can be but not necessarily.
It's not the same as chemotherapy at all, this is at best a very mild medical condition or might not be one at all - lots of things can cause patchy hair loss, the choice to shave her head was her's entirely.
I get you're just putting forth the argument here but it's worth noting that it doesn't necessarily hold up too well. And that's kinda the steel man version, there are all sorts of nonsense takes that this is about race, some beliefs that black women's hair deserves special status etc..
