Windows 10

mctiny said:
Probably the same as windows 8.1. use a placement key then change the key after install...
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Yes but the question is will my 7 key be upgraded to a 10 key by simply adding it to a 10 install, or does it have to go through whatever 'process' the in place upgrade to 7 does in order to register the key as a 10 one.

I get the feeling we simply won't know that until its released and someone tries it.

No biggie if not, I'll just install 7 and update it then blat it clean. I'm just lazy :p
 
IT Troll said:
I'm current running Windows 8.1 Enterprise so I think I am going to try an in-place sidegrade to Professional so that I get the upgrade offer. Just needs a bit of registry tweaking and some good luck.
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Well that was fairly painless.

Changed the Product ID identifiers in registry
Ran the 8.1 Pro setup from within Windows to "upgrade"
Installed a stack of updates
Ran a couple of scheduled tasks to kick start the appraisal process
Clicked the icon to reserve my free upgrade to 10

Full O/S edition change in a couple of hours with all my settings, drivers and apps retained. :cool:
 
It is good to hear that anytime clean installs will be permitted. I just don't like the "same device" and "lifetime of the device" phrases which don't sound compatible with hardware upgrades.
 
Had a play with Win 10 and Spartan in a VM today.

Noticed that Spartan spawns similar amounts of processes as Chrome does. Firefox which is my daily browsers has some catching up to do in this regard.

According to this multi process could arrive by the end of the year in Firefox.
 
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Few replies from Gabe Aul on twitter:

Gabriel Aul

Gabriel Aul– ‏ @GabeAul,

@insanelyapple Either way will work. Once you've upgraded to 10 on the machine the license will allow you to reinstall at no cost
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Dino Borogovac

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Dino Borogovac ‏@dinchy87
@PiotrGoreckiJr @GabeAul i would also know this. what happens after i have to reinstall my Windows 10 after 29.07.2016.

Gabriel Aul

Gabriel Aul– ‏ @GabeAul

@dinchy87 @PiotrGoreckiJr Once you upgrade W10 w/ the free upgrade offer you will able to clean reinstall Windows 10 on same device any time
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And in regards to key activation issues with hardware upgrades, I'm reckoning it will be the same practice as now - upon first boot - windows wont be genuine until you ring the helpline and activate it manually. I had to do that for 8.1 once when changing mobo.
 
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Have people been testing w10 on older machines or older Laptops ?

My mums got a £400 quid i3 laptop ~3 or 4 years old - Would it be even worth upgrading it?

Im still on W7 myself on my main gaming machine (which is getting very old now) Ive barely used 8.1, in a nut shell is the jump from 8 > 10 as much of a change as Metro was from 7>8 ?

Is there a table of features, boot times all that junk somewhere that compares all 3 ?

Cheers
 
If I install Windows 10 would I lose all of my Steam games and Microsoft Office 2007?

I don't have a really big reason to do it. I like Windows 7 just fine.
 
IT Troll said:
It is good to hear that anytime clean installs will be permitted. I just don't like the "same device" and "lifetime of the device" phrases which don't sound compatible with hardware upgrades.
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Its generalised wording due to most people not owning retail Windows licenses. Theres nothing in the terms of the Windows 10 update that states it changes the terms of the underpinning license, so if you have retail 7 or 8 it will be upgraded to retail 10.

Dicehunter said:
Anyone by chance know when we can pre-load ?
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Somewhen prior to the 29th July ;)

Efour said:
Have people been testing w10 on older machines or older Laptops ?

My mums got a £400 quid i3 laptop ~3 or 4 years old - Would it be even worth upgrading it?

Im still on W7 myself on my main gaming machine (which is getting very old now) Ive barely used 8.1, in a nut shell is the jump from 8 > 10 as much of a change as Metro was from 7>8 ?

Is there a table of features, boot times all that junk somewhere that compares all 3 ?

Cheers
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Ive been using 10 on Q6600 and DDR2 in an IP35 Pro, so 6 year old kit. Its the fastest OS ive ever had on it.

Ita worth taking the upgrade simply because its free, and is the last traditional Windows release.

SoAdCrAzY said:
If I install Windows 10 would I lose all of my Steam games and Microsoft Office 2007?

I don't have a really big reason to do it. I like Windows 7 just fine.
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If Steam is installed on a different drive your fine. Ive not reinstalled Steam... Ever I don't think? Office you will need to reinstall. Make sure you backup all your files and documents too.

As above, the reason to upgrade is it gets you into Microsoft's future platform for Windows for free. You have a year to take it though so theres no rush if your happy for the time being.
 
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I havent recieved the upgrade notification from either my laptop or desktop. Both are legit windows copies from Microsoft dreamspark.
 
Disco_P said:
I havent recieved the upgrade notification from either my laptop or desktop. Both are legit windows copies from Microsoft dreamspark.
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make sure the update is installed and the computers are not on domains (domain computers don't get the update but can be done manually).

if the update is installed try removing and re installing the update.
 
ED209 said:
make sure the update is installed and the computers are not on domains (domain computers don't get the update but can be done manually).

if the update is installed try removing and re installing the update.
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I didn't do anything but make that post and the icon has appeared.
 
Disco_P said:
I didn't do anything but make that post and the icon has appeared.
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Assuming you have the KB3035583 update installed successfully, the appearance of pop-up is controlled by a number of scheduled tasks. The two keys ones are:

Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser - Which checks your system for any hardware or software compatibility issues

refreshgwxconfig - Which updates the status of your offer based on the results of the above

These should kick in at some point but you can jump start the process by running the tasks manually. If the appraiser hasn't run recently (or at all) you don't get the pop-up.
 
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gareth170 said:
i have been thinking on what MS could mean by lifetime of the device and im 95% sure it mean the lifetime of the motherboard for pc;s / laptops
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Sigh.

Once you understand how OEM keys are managed and how sealed devices work with keys (laptops and tablets) it makes perfect sense.

For every pre installed device with Windows on it there is now a key in the UEFI BIOS. This identifies the device. That key will be unique to that device forever, so as you upgrade Windows that key is carried with it. The key no longer identifies a Windows version, it identifies the device.

This will be the case for probably 90% of every consumer device out there that gets Windows 10.

There are 2 exceptions. System builder OEM keys, where it is still limited to that device just like always, but the key is entered manually rather than stored in the BIOS. And then retail. Retail is the one people are getting all worked up about for no reason. Retail is not limited to a single device (although it is limited to only 1 install at a time) so retail keys updated to 10 will remain retail and therefore transferable.

So yes, it will mean limited to that motherboard for all devices where Windows is already limited to that motherboard anyway. Retail keys are the exception, but they are such a small fraction of the total market they haven't bothered to explicitly point that out. Much like they havent specifically pointed out how Business licenses will work.

Stop panicing. Do you have a retail version your planning to update?
 
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